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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Strawman -- I know prophecy is true or accurate when the facts show the prophecy has come true or the facts show it more than likely came true.
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How do you know this 'prophecy' has come true? These elusive 'facts' of which ye speak are what we've been waiting for these many pages. Does this post mean that their release is imminent?

Or is it just a strawjeebus of your own?


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If we can be reasonably sure the facts in the NT are accurate because of such factors as many people died for those facts within a short time of those facts, along with the fact that those facts were reported by someone like Luke who has been called one of the world's great historians, and those facts were prophecized in the OT then we have evidence that the prophecy is likely to have been accurate.
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This is complete and utter denial of everything you've been shown in this thread, and would be laughable were it not so contemptible.


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But prophecy doesn't have to be only in the bible. Jean Dixon had several well publicized prophecies come true. But according to at least one author I've read her accuracy level was not as good as the bible.
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Do you have any evidence for this assertion that 0 ≠ 0?


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I do like the made up probabilities. Their knowledge of probability is almost as good as DOCs.
 
I admire the way in which they very carefully avoid exaggeration and hyperbole:


Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.
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Fishpiss.
 
DOC said:
...But prophecy doesn't have to be only in the bible. Jean Dixon had several well publicized prophecies come true. But according to at least one author I've read her accuracy level was not as good as the bible. ... [/QUOTE


This Jean Dixon? The one who predicted Nixon would win the 1960 US presidential race?
...Dixon was featured every year in various publications that engage in the entertaining pursuit of making predictions for the new year. She predicted that the Soviets would beat the U.S. to the moon and that World War III would begin in 1958 (Montgomery 1965: x). She foresaw a holocaust for the 1980s and that Rome would then rise and

become the world's foremost center of culture, learning, and religion; and that the Middle Eastern child whose birth she "witnessed in the vision with Queen Nefertiti" on February 5, 1962, will unite all warring creeds and sects into one all-embracing faith (ibid.: 193).
She predicted there would be a cure for cancer in 1967.* She didn't foresee the rise of terrorism. She foresaw peace on earth by the year 2000. ...
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http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...ean+Dixon&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=es&lr=lang_en
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DOC said:
If we can be reasonably sure the facts in the NT are accurate because of such factors as many people dying for those facts within a short time of those facts, along with the fact that those facts were reported by someone like Luke who has been called one of the world's great historians, and those facts were prophecized in the OT then we have evidence that the prophecy is likely to have been accurate.
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DOC is definitely on form today.
With just one sentence he's demolished, utterly destroyed and thrown down all our feeble whinings across over 200 pages.
It seems a shame to point out that sentence doesn't present any evidence the NT writers were telling the truth.
There's no evidence many people died for thoses 'facts' within a short time of the events, one of the world's great historians certainly reported hearsay about Jesus, nothing more, and the prophecies of the OT were brutally retro-fitted to fit the NT writers' agendas.
 
The books in the bible weren't put together until about the 4th century, no so-called god put the bible together, and do you think for one moment DOC that the people who did wouldn't work their miracles on it. Also the NT books, (stories) weren't written for Decades after the death of Jesus, more time to get the stories right where many people would buy into them, too bad they couldn't get together and have just one version.

Paul

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DOC said:
If we can be reasonably sure the facts in the NT are accurate because of such factors as many people dying for those facts within a short time of those facts
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That's a mighty big if, DOC... one that hinges on us being wilfully delusional...

Why do you waste pixels on such inane waffle?
 
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"So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with butter and maple syrup - the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites and Waffleites."​
 
DOC said:
Strawman -- I know prophecy is true or accurate when the facts show the prophecy has come true or the facts show it more than likely came true.
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You misunderstand me; I'm not talking about whether a particular prediction is true, but the whole notion of prophecy. From what you say, you believe that prophecies are divinely inspred. When they come true, that both proves the prophet was passing on the word of god, and also validates the prophesied action or person as being god'swill.

The first part of that chain is that the bible says that prophecy is a gift from God. Again, you are saying the events in the NT are true because of something else written in the bible, this time the OT. That is circular reasoning.

I simply don't accept that there is any evidence that prophecy, in the sense of information about the future being recieved from god by whatever means, exists. Of course, the fact that I don't believe in god is a factor in that, but conversely, the lack of evidence for prophecy confirms that conclusion.

The supposed fulfilled prophecies require so much bending of facts and definitions as to be meaningless, in those cases where someone hasn't just set out to make a prophecy come true by ticking the boxes.
 
DOC said:
Strawman -- I know prophecy is true or accurate when the facts show the prophecy has come true or the facts show it more than likely came true.
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YOu know the prophecy is true, because the story in the bible says so.
Affirming the consequent.



DOC said:
If we can be reasonably sure the facts in the NT are accurate because of such factors [1] as many people dying for those facts within a short time of those facts, along with the fact that those facts [2] were reported by someone like Luke who has been called one of the world's great historians, and those facts were [3]prophecized in the OT then we have evidence that the prophecy is likely to have been accurate.
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Numbering inserted by me:
1.) This isn't evidence of truth. Only that people believed something to be true. (As has been mentioned before) Heaven's gate doesn't prove there was a spaceship behind a comet.
2.) This is an appeal to authority mixed with a dishonest quote mine. Please provide the complete original quote (primary sources only!)
3.) As has been mentioned, a story in the bible claiming that another story in the bible isn't evidence of reality. Only evidence of good story telling.
 
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