9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Arkyrion]

That's an utter lie and you know it. You have seen the video.

We have also seen videos of Bigfoot. Nice try, though.

 

[Amazer]

Uhoh, bad news for the sceptics:

http://www.rses.anu.edu.au/research/ee/index.php?p=ee_staff

Krege is listed as a member of the

Research School of Earth Sciences !!!

He IS an expert!

Give him a call and ask when his report will come out and if not, why?

Mr Richard Krege
Email:[email protected]
Phone Number:61257775
Room:112 J7

Hypothesis: he went there because he was professionally acquainted with these devices. Stronger, his link to this institution provided him with the means to borrow this very expensive equipment. And he is not publishing because he has a career to loose!! (Says the head of the department: listen Richard, I know you are a good guy, but I just got a phone call from the Australian jewish Congress. You know how it is. If you publish I am forced to fire you. Please don't make me do it. And think of your family).

Now we understand!!!

What a wonderful invention the internet is.
All the Krege sceptics debunked!
Absolute Breakthrough.

Bye bye Treblinka, all lies.

Wasn't Krege employed by Air Service Australia till at least 2006-2007?

Also, Krege is one of the few staff members who doesn't have a designation (on the link you provided). For most it is given that they are professor, research fellow, etc. Krege does not. So it is a bit of stretch for you to claim that he is an expert.

 

[bethgsd]

Waaait a minute, I just found Krege's site ('report') back I had seen many years ago:

<deleted since I don't post enough to include websites>

This is what I meant all along.


>>>Yet another revisionist/denier website. Can't you find something to back up your claims besides groupthink??

 

[Ignorantbystander]

Wasn't Krege employed by Air Service Australia till at least 2006-2007?

That's what I also thought.

Also, Krege is one of the few staff members who doesn't have a designation (on the link you provided). For most it is given that they are professor, research fellow, etc. Krege does not. So it is a bit of stretch for you to claim that he is an expert.

I noticed the same. I hope for 9/11 investigator that this is not the umpteenth canard he's falling for. After Bentham, the grounded airplanes and so many others.
Even though he's a delusional bigot, I can't help feeling sorry for him every time his hysterical enthousiasm is smashed into the ground.

 

[TSR]

That's an utter lie and you know it. You have seen the video.

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And the video does not give any information that can be used to reproduce the results: Where *exactly* did this "test" take place? What GPR unit was used? What expertise in the interpretation of GPR results does Krege bring to bear?
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70 pages and not a shred of evidence.

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Now, *that's* an utter lie, but even if we, for the sake of argument, stipulate that no evidence has been presented on *this* thread.

Is it somehow your impression that decades of work by historians of all stripes doesn't exist? Do youself a favour: read a book.
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The test is not done because it is not in your ethnic interest.

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What "ethnic" interest are you pretending is relevant here?
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But the sorry story is going to implode like a highrise building stuffed with explosives. And it will be fun to watch. Finally some justice.

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You've had 60+ years, and the normative understanding has not been changed one iota because of the "research" of deniers. What makes you think the next 60 will be any different?
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You have just been debunked by science.

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One usually ends a statement of faith by saying "Amen."
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Here you have the pathetic little camp:
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap13.jpg

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Ah, so there *was* camp there. How do you suppose this was constructed without disturbing the soil?
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[Trojan]

Looks more like grass mowing to me. Any 'undocumented' Mexican can do it. Switch the thing on, start 'mowing', switch it off after you covered the whole field, download the pictures to your laptop and start evaluating. The video is enough proof that Krege did it.

I have a video of my dog behind the wheel of my car, does that mean he can drive it?

 

[Trojan]

I remember showing delousing gas chambers (like the one 'with a view') to show the blue staines from the zyklon B, staines that are missing from the 'gas chambers' that were marketed as homicidal gas chambers. Please point me to the post nr where you think I made a mistake. I think I didn't.

The level of gas needed to kill humans is about 1/20 of that needed to kill lice, and duration is also about 1/20 (actually greater) -- therefore the homicidal gas chambers did not have the exposure that the delousing chambers did.

Did you know any of this? Do you need a link regarding the level needed to humans? Then again, this may be harsh, after all, Leuchter didn't know these answers either

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/hydrogencyanide/recognition.html

2. Effects on Humans: Hydrogen cyanide can cause rapid death due to metabolic asphyxiation. Death can occur within seconds or minutes of the inhalation of high concentrations of hydrogen cyanide gas. A recent study reports an estimated LC(50) in humans of 3,404 ppm for a 1-minute exposure; other sources report that 270 ppm is fatal after 6 to 8 minutes, 181 ppm after 10 minutes and 135 ppm after 30 minutes [Hathaway et al. 1991].

 

[Trojan]

Hypothesis: he went there because he was professionally acquainted with these devices. Stronger, his link to this institution provided him with the means to borrow this very expensive equipment.

He's in AUSTRALIA and you think he borrowed equipment to use in Poland?

 

[Amazer]

He's in AUSTRALIA and you think he borrowed equipment to use in Poland?

Not just that... his association with ANU is from 2007 at the earliest. I fail to see how this can effect anything he did in 1999.

 

[Trojan]

You have just been debunked by science.

A youtube video is not science.

Seriously, you need to move on, find something else, hell you had more of an argument with Hoess.

Did you find the Draper statement yet?

 

[Arkyrion]

The level of gas needed to kill humans is about 1/20 of that needed to kill lice, and duration is also about 1/20 (actually greater) -- therefore the homicidal gas chambers did not have the exposure that the delousing chambers did.

Did you know any of this? Do you need a link regarding the level needed to humans? Then again, this may be harsh, after all, Leuchter didn't know these answers either

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/hydrogencyanide/recognition.html

Kurse made a wonderful post regarding this in page fifty-four. Here's the link.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5239484#post5239484

 

[TSR]

Seriously, you need to move on, find something else, hell you had more of an argument with Hoess.

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Spoilsport. I didn't even get a chance to rub 9/11's nose in this: http://www.atheistparents.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14940&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
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I did a little research, and came a cross this site for Ground Penetrating Radar In Archeology by Lawrence B. Conyers author of Ground-Penetrating Radar for Archeology. I couldn’t find the book in my library, and really didn’t have time to read it, so I sent an email to Professor Conyers, sending him the site and scan and asked his opinion, and he replied

Conyers wrote:
I looked at the web site, and the image you sent. It is only one small part of his 'grid'. The picture shows him using a 200 MHz antenna and collecting about 1 meter spaced transects in a huge grid. That image is not processed, and only shows about a 5 meter long section in one line. And even in that profile it looks like a bunch of "things" in the ground on the right hand side that could easily be mass graves. It is apparent that this guy either does not know anything of GPR, or at the very least does not know how to process it. To really do a good job, the data need to be put into a 3-D cube of reflections and processed in a batch, including ALL the profiles collected. If you really wanted to get to the bottom of this you either need to get his data and let someone else process it, or re-collect it all and re-process your own data. This is NOT a scientific or representive study of the ground by any stretch.

I sent another email asking if from the sole picture posted as proof, could he tell if the land has been “disturbed” or not (and if I could quote him) and he replied.

Conyers wrote:
that image is too vague for me to make ANY conclusions at all. Feel free to quote me however you feel that is will make the most impact. If he really wants to make us see his point, he should release his RAW data, and we can then have a real look at it....not just one piece of one profile, which is poorly processed.

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So, where is Krege's book on GPR?



No?




Okay, how about a peer-reviewed paper?











Any paper at all?








9/11? Hello?

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[Arkyrion]

9/11 has already made his feelings on peer review known.

"To hell with peer reviews. Use your common sense."

 

[Amazer]

9/11 has already made his feelings on peer review known. He believe it is better to simply "Use your common sense."

The problem is of course that common sense is actually quit uncommon... and 9/11 is displaying precious little (if any) of that common sense.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Waaait a minute, I just found Krege's site ('report') back I had seen many years ago:

http://www.vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Krege62-64.html

Thanks for that. I can now list his failings.

1) Failed to do control test ( Can he identify bones or human ash using his ground pentetrating radar? He doesn't know! Where does he discriminate between soil and ash in the amplitude of the returning signal? He doesn't cite any research document..... so what was he looking for? Where are the technical details normally included in a report?)

2) Failed to list the brand of machine, the software or which university he used for interpretation of the raw data

3) Failed to state his hypothesis of what result he would expect by testing GPR in another area known not to contain ash. (the "control")

You claimed he said the soil was never touched but that is not what he says. He says "Der Vergleich dieser Aufnahme mit Aufnahmen von Gegenden, in denen das Erdreich bekanntermaßen unberührt und im wesentlichen störungsfrei ist, ergibt" so he only went to areas which he knew were undisturbed. So where is his "grid marking" of the camp to show what areas he ignored?

4) He dated the age of trees. Where? Does he have a dendochronology degree and data base at home? Australian unis don't maintain Polish tree ring data bases. So who dated the trees?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Conyers wrote:
I looked at the web site, and the image you sent. It is only one small part of his 'grid'. The picture shows him using a 200 MHz antenna and collecting about 1 meter spaced transects in a huge grid. That image is not processed, and only shows about a 5 meter long section in one line. And even in that profile it looks like a bunch of "things" in the ground on the right hand side that could easily be mass graves. It is apparent that this guy either does not know anything of GPR, or at the very least does not know how to process it. To really do a good job, the data need to be put into a 3-D cube of reflections and processed in a batch, including ALL the profiles collected. If you really wanted to get to the bottom of this you either need to get his data and let someone else process it, or re-collect it all and re-process your own data. This is NOT a scientific or representive study of the ground by any stretch.

Thank you for that amazing effort. As I kept saying the raw data has to go to a uni for interpretation and well....it obviously hasn't. Neither have the tree rings been dated because he hasn't stated which uni in Poland did that either. The whole thing is rubbish and I believe intended to be kept "fuzzy" to allow uneducated holocaust deniers to use it as "evidence".

 

[Nonpareil]

Okay, Krege report is now fully debunked. Much thanks to Matthew and TSR. So. 9/11-investigator. Your main piece of evidence is gone. What now?

 

[Arkyrion]

So...that more or less does it for the Krege Report.

That was kinda sorta central to your entire argument, 9/11. Your response?

 

[Kurse]

Imagine that, he puts me on ignore right before he starts talking about chemistry >_>.

 

[TSR]

Okay, Krege report is now fully debunked. Much thanks to Matthew and TSR. So. 9/11-investigator. Your main piece of evidence is gone. What now?

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Oh, do let's go back to Hoess. Please?

Or maybe blue stains coughcoughleuchtercough?
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