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Why truthers are dangerouse!

They were their because of concerns that the US was about to invade Cuba and, probably, to challenge the placing of US nuclear weapons in Italy and Turkey.

Ok, whatever. If that is what you want to believe, than fine, its totally cool. You hate America, I understand now.

The USSR was, to some extent, able to check US power but that does not mean they were seeking to destroy the US. The Cuba missiles barely effected the strategic nuclear balance (US 5,000 to USSR 300). The "Evil Empire" threat was massively exaggerated, just as the threat form al Qaeda has been.

Who cares if it affected the "Strategic blah blah bullcrap". How long would an ICBM take to travel 90 miles?? How about the other 60 miles to the mainland US?? Oh, about 2 minutes you say? By that time, South Florida is gone. You love to talk all smart, but, really, have the time, its just a wrong statement to begin with.


The threat to worry about is that posed by the existence "big dog" kick ass nuclear weapons anywhere.

Proof?

A curious, skeptical person might wonder how Ford could have made such a profit in the current financial climate. It lost over $1bn on its core business of selling cars and trucks and is over a hundred billion debt. Its posted profit is entirely due to a a one-off financial boost from a debt restructuring. It certainly isn't evidence of economic recovery.

Smart business planning, increased sales in Europe, Canada, and the US. THat is another topic though.


Despite its popularity here, lazy stereotyping has no place in critical thinking.

Ok, than help me understand that overly worded post. KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid


There was a financial meltdown on the cards before the attacks.

Really?? And how bad was it?? Did 9/11 make the problem MUCH worse??

The terror threat was exaggerated and hyped after 911, with, for example, rubbish claims that the US was riddled with sleeper cells waiting to be activated.

Paranoia?? There very well might have, you don't have the first clue. Maybe they left back for their home countries before the authorities could come up with them. You know, after 9/11, alot of Americans were suspicious of anybody from the Middle East, and that was understandable.

The people of Iraq and Afghanistan are "THEM"?

Are we just going over there and killing random people for no apparent reason?? Are we going over there and blowing up parts of their most important cities?? No. Stop being stupid and put the strawman away.


One doesn't need a global war to asssassinate a few hundred people.

I think you do not understand the meaning of that word.

As with your Ford "fact" you need do some research before making wild claims that more than a small minority are "enemy combatants".

Really?? Proof?? Links?? Evidence?? Argument from personal beliefs noted.

Here are your words, in which the only discernible diference between "you" and "them" is that "you" have got your own airplanes with which to kill innocent civilians by the thousand:

Are we purposly targeting innocent civilians?? No?? Say it ain't so.

My original statement stands. Try putting the strawman away, and stop being obtuse.

See above about Ford's Depression profit and there were people overseeing housing bubble frauds but they, the regulators, collaborated in the fraud.

Proof?? Or was it incompitence?? My guess is the latter. Nobody was checking on the big boys. Nobody.


The Chinese and Japanese have been paying for the US resource wars. With the collapse of confidence in the US financial system and economy that is unlikely to continue for very long.

Explain??
 
Here are your words, in which the only discernible diference between "you" and "them" is that "you" have got your own airplanes with which to kill innocent civilians by the thousand:

Most of the civilian deaths come from suicide and car bombings in these latest conflicts. Jihad killed most of those people, not US bombs.
 
I will not, however, be discussing this any further in this thread. Most of these things you've mentioned are entirely off-topic and have already been done to death in many other threads. I would advise you to either do a search of the forum (using the google search in the pull down menu, the tags search doesn't work too well) or start a new thread to discuss whatever questions or concerns you have about 9/11. This is not a good thread to address any of them, and you're not likely to get the most informed responses here. As I said earlier, this is basically a troll thread which is not conducive to serious debate about 9/11. If you want to talk about truthers and debunkers and how mean they are to each other and all that BS, then go ahead, you're in the correct thread.

´Off-topic´, yes. But if you scroll back you´ll find that others started this conversation. I merely joined in. I am not the instigator as you are suggesting.

It is confusing the crap out of me too as it happens because there have been so many diversions off-topic here.
I´m new here and am reading through the serious threads on 9/11.
I´m merely getting to know people´s points of view here and getting to grips with the rules and posting.

I DO stand by my assertion that ANY links that may shed light on OBL/US by her testimony should be examined to the full.
They may very well be ´exaggerated´ and it grinds me that it has dragged on so long but I will reserve my judgement on its importance until this is fully exposed.

Maybe I started posting in the worst possible place (a troll thread) but I would hardly make ´deathwishing´ on any citizen a minor ´BS´ issue.

I´ve asked a mod to explain to me exactly what I may and may not link to and take HIS advice thanks.
I´m finished with this thread and will take your advice and look for intelligent conversation.
 
So what are you doing to find out?

I suspect that she has been exagerating her own importance and that the kind of info that she would have been exposed to in her position as a part-time translator might not be as exciting as she makes out. Please prove me wrong.

As I said ´I would love to know´. How can I prove you wrong on a subject that has never come to light, been verified and there for all to see in black and white?

I have no idea. I'm not even sure that she is subject to any kind of gag order beyond the kind of confidentiality agreement that would normally apply to any former FBI employee.

I would hardly call the State Secrets Privilege a ´normal´ confidentiality agreement.
 
Von Brunn has been lumped in with the 9/11 "truth" movement because he is a 9/11 truther. Just like the pittsburgh cop-killer.

You are quoting me out of context to a reply I made to your earlier post.

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth
The 9/11 truth movement is dangerous for the same reasons that Al-Queada is dangerous. They both take in disaffected angry types like Mohammaed Attah, Ziad Jarrah, Richard Poplawski and James Von Brunn.

Tell me that isn´t a broad generalisation based on the acts of a couple of nutcases.What exactly did Von Brunn do to be connected to the ´Truth Movement´ or be known as a ´truther´ in the first place?
I mean, are you comparing this twisted freak to say, the various family members of victims of 9/11 who believe they have still to hear the whole truth?
Are these people on a par with Al-Qaeda extremists?
That was the point I was making.

Who else but a 9/11 truther would use the case of a 9/11 truther who pulled a gun on a cop in an attempt to prove truthers aren't dangerous?

Now you are really twisting words SoT.
My issue as you well know was the toilet humour masquerading as discussion in the thread I linked to regarding a citizen who was shot by police on an assumption that has still to be publically verified and tried in a court of law.
 
Wow... that didn't take long. It took Mudlark less than ten posts after the magic 15 to post his first link to a Holocaust denial website.

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Don´t even go there.
Of course i believe the Holocaust happened.
Mybad on the choice of sites (which i know nothing of). It was the first link to the FBI quote on Bin Laden. End of.
 
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Don´t even go there.
Of course i believe the Holocaust happened.
Mybad on the choice of sites (which i know nothing of). It was the first link to the FBI quote on Bin Laden. End of.

It just shows you're doing sloppy research. Also, I know you're new, but please learn how to use the quote function properly, it makes it very difficult to follow otherwise.

I hope you really are done on this thread and hope you either start a new thread, or comment on an existing one. If you really have legitimate questions about 9/11, let's hear them.
 
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I hope you really are done on this thread and hope you either start a new thread, or comment on an existing one. If you really have legitimate questions about 9/11, let's hear them.

Seconded.

The constant bleating that no real discussion is taking place by those who refuse to take part in real discussion is tiresome.
 
Don´t even go there.
Of course i believe the Holocaust happened.
Mybad on the choice of sites (which i know nothing of). It was the first link to the FBI quote on Bin Laden. End of.

Sloppy research.

Now that you have posted the twoof version, you might want to look for further clarifications by the SAME PERSON Ed Haas with the Washington Post like 4 weeks later stating why there is no "solid evidence" and why the website doesn't have an indictment. Look it up.

Oh heck.. here is the URL
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/27/AR2006082700687.html
The issue is with datamined quotes and bad research.
 
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I just want to know why Truthers won't admit that they deny the Holocaust when someone brings it up in a conversation?

Can they admit that what they claim about 9/11 is total BS?
 
Tell me that isn´t a broad generalisation based on the acts of a couple of nutcases.

Who are members of a movement that you have to be a nutcase to join. The members of the 9/11 truth movement are all so crazy, each and every one of them, that they all believe 9/11 was an inside job!

Did you know that?

What exactly did Von Brunn do to be connected to the ´Truth Movement´ or be known as a ´truther´ in the first place?

He believes 9/11 was an inside job.

Are these people on a par with Al-Qaeda extremists?

Al-Queada and the 9/11 "truth" movement both preach that the US government is evil and is mass killing people. They are both extremist groups.


Now you are really twisting words SoT.

No I'm not. I am pointing out that the guy you are defending is an attempted cop killer.

Maybe he should have kep it in his pants?
 
Don´t even go there.
Of course i believe the Holocaust happened.

This is good to hear.

Mybad on the choice of sites (which i know nothing of).

Maybe you didn't. But what you have accidentally proven is that thinking like that of the Holocaust Museum shooter is so mainstream within the 9/11 "truth" movement that you can trip over it without even trying to look for it.

It was the first link to the FBI quote on Bin Laden.

Because contacing the FBI directly and asking if they think Bin Laden was behind 9/11 would have been silly. :rolleyes:

Better to get your info on what the FBI thinks from people who think the US government is secretly run by jews, right?
 
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Ok, whatever. If that is what you want to believe, than fine, its totally cool. You hate America, I understand now.


I wonder why flinging out an aggressive, fact-free personal accusation about an imagined emotional state would be more attractive than producing a historically-based counter argument.


Who cares if it affected the "Strategic blah blah bullcrap". How long would an ICBM take to travel 90 miles?? How about the other 60 miles to the mainland US?? Oh, about 2 minutes you say? By that time, South Florida is gone. You love to talk all smart, but, really, have the time, its just a wrong statement to begin with.

A lot of people care about "Strategic blah blah bullcrap" a great deal, especially when they are assessing a threat realistically rather than fantastically.






http://video.google.co.uk/videosear...ck financial fraud&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

The FBI warned of a dangerouse “epidemic” of mortgage fraud in 2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/17/mortgage.fraud/



Smart business planning, increased sales in Europe, Canada, and the US. THat is another topic though.

Increased sales of what?




Ok, than help me understand that overly worded post. KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid

Sorry, I can't be bothered to find it but I'll try and help you if you can.


Really?? And how bad was it?? Did 9/11 make the problem MUCH worse??

It's impossible to know.



Paranoia?? There very well might have, you don't have the first clue. Maybe they left back for their home countries before the authorities could come up with them.

Interesting speculation, presumably without any factual foundation whatsoever.

You know, after 9/11, alot of Americans were suspicious of anybody from the Middle East, and that was understandable.

I was thinking of the country's leaders (who one could expect to behave rationally), talking about supposed "intelligence" findings based in reality, not the general population's paranoia and racist suspicions.



Are we just going over there and killing random people for no apparent reason??

There are reasons but they are not good ones. They are generally not apparent and not the ones advertized.

Are we going over there and blowing up parts of their most important cities??

Yes, big time! Whole countries are being trashed.

No. Stop being stupid and put the strawman away.

It was you raised the "strawman" subject of innocent civilian deaths.


I think you do not understand the meaning of that word.

What do you think it means?



Really?? Proof?? Links?? Evidence?? Argument from personal beliefs noted.



It was your claim that they were enemy combatants and scumbags. Have you got any proof? Links?? Evidence?? Argument from personal beliefs noted. ;)


How many Gitmo prisoners have been charged or convicted of terrorist crimes? They've been there a long time. What's the delay?



Are we purposly targeting innocent civilians?? No?? Say it ain't so.

My original statement stands. Try putting the strawman away, and stop being obtuse.

When people get killed when other people lob explosives out of airplanes it's hardly accidental.


Proof?? Or was it incompitence?? My guess is the latter. Nobody was checking on the big boys. Nobody.

You appear to rely on guesswork quite a lot!

The big boys were the ones committing the worst fraud.

The FBI warned of a dangerouse “epidemic” of mortgage fraud in 2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/17/mortgage.fraud/


Explain??


"The close relation between war and natural resources is of long standing. What else was colonial conquest about?"


"At the start of the twentieth century war casualties were 90 percent soldiers. Such 'traditional' wars are rare today. Resource wars with their devastating impacts on civilians have become the norm."

'Resource Wars'
by William K. Tabb

http://monthlyreview.org/0107tabb.htm






"...the free flow of cheap oil allows America to remain the dominant military power and the largest, most powerful economy."

'Global Resource Wars: The Rossetta Stone.'

http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2005/03/global-resource-wars-rosetta-stone.html



"The conflict in Afghanistan derives from American efforts to dominate the resources of the Persian Gulf."

'Is the conflict in Afghanistan a resource war?'
- an interview with Michael Klare

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Oil_watch/Resource_War.html




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Cause it was the same thing. My neighbors are dead due to someones agenda. You seem slightly disconnected from the reality of 911.

What has that got to do with assessing the real terrorist threat level?


What do you call it when you have a whole bunch military actions on terrorists at the same time? think about it...

You think attacking Iraq was an attack on terrorists, do you? Dreamer!



It's more effective than trying to read them their Miranda rights. The long arm of the law doesn't extend into lawless lands.

How is bombing Pakistan effective? What does it achieve?


yeah I noticed

You are able to read fear through the ether?

Welcome to the funk de fino psychics’ club!

Most of the civilian deaths come from suicide and car bombings in these latest conflicts. Jihad killed most of those people, not US bombs.

Debatable and depends what you mean by "most" and "Jihad" but what is your point?
 
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Attack at army base! I bet some twoofer is behind this! I warned you guys!
 
I could be wrong on the latter, it is my own speculation. However, those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it right?

I am not wrong on the former; Edmonds is nothing if not credible. No one of importance has ever said otherwise; in fact, those of importance invoked States' Secrets, twice. (Turkish lobby = criminal organization (OT))

Here's a great email documenting the White House's public deception...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13279711/...House-Assertions-of-Cooperation-Flatly-Untrue

Sybil Edmonds

Child of woe

Grew lean as she assailed the seasons

She wept that she was ever born

And she had reasons

Sybil loved the Secrecy

Although she had never seen one

She would have lied incessantly if she had seen one.
 
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