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Why truthers are dangerouse!

You quoted me in that. I am sorry, but if you commit FELONIES, and MAKE GESTURES like you are going for a GUN, than the POLICE, who protect me and my FAMILY, have EVERY GOD **** RIGHT to shoot that person.
PERIOD.

BTW, Fleeing and resisting arrest are both felonies. Sorry, I still have no sympathy. And I will stand behind that 100%.

Yours was the least offensive.
The other comments were shocking to be on a debate thread.

¨Damn shame he lived.¨

¨why didn't the cop aim for the head? always put one in the brain, I say.

Head shots are more difficult. Too small a target and, in a twoofer, contains too little tissue crucial to motor function.¨

¨Too bad that moron lived.¨

Do you honestly think that is acceptable behaviour? That was my point.
The police have made no comment yet or released a detailed report.
I think this is what should have been released before joking about the possible attempted manslaughter/murder of a fellow human being.
Innocent UNTIL proven guilty. So far he is guilty of traffic violations and of being a ´twoofer´.
If he is found guilty of pulling a weapon I´ll eat my words but we know nothing for sure.
Nothing excuses the premature ´deathwishing´ on a discussion board.
 
It does matter what that idiot did, the fact is he did something that he shouldn't have done in the first place.

The police are here to SERVE & PROTECT, that's their job! What they did was their job!

He disobeyed the law just like any other common criminal does.

He disrespected the police officers commands & failed to yield.

It's noones fault but his own! PERIOD!
 
This is all very interesting and might be relevant to 9/11. So why have the people who identify themselves as seekers of the Truth behind 9/11 spent so much time talking about bombs in the towers and nano-thermite etc etc etc instead of putting pressure on the Gov. the Courts and anyone and everyone they can in order to get to the bottom of all this?

Why is it that after 8 years we are here still talking about how big the fires were in WTC7 instead of the Turkish/Al Qaeda/FBI links? Could it be that the Truthers are more interested in bizarre impossible scenarios than the actual truth?

Believe it or not, there are Freelance Journalists in the world who would love to expose some kind of FBI skullduggery which led to 9/11. They would be more famous than Woodward and Bernstein, David Frost and Walter Cronkite combined. Don't tell me they are scared for their pensions, because they aren't. Why have they all ignored this woman's claims?

If you think there is something to all of this, then I would urge you to keep plugging away at it, you never know, maybe the next "deep throat" is out there now trying to find your phone number...or, not.

I´ll be honest and say that with research like this, you need patience. I have none.
Every paragraph of information down this road requires looking in to more links, which lead to more links which...
All I´m saying is that I would love to know EXACTLY what she is being gagged about. Details, dates, numbers , quotes. Especially when she describes intricate links between the US and Al Qaeda up until 9/11.
Cut the crap and lay it on the table.
Would YOU not like to know??

Out of curiosity did Obama renew the gagging order or is it indeterminate?
 
It does matter what that idiot did, the fact is he did something that he shouldn't have done in the first place.

The police are here to SERVE & PROTECT, that's their job! What they did was their job!

He disobeyed the law just like any other common criminal does.

He disrespected the police officers commands & failed to yield.

It's noones fault but his own! PERIOD!

So it´s okay to publically state that a person wishes he had died?
BEFORE knowing the full facts?
 
So it´s okay to publically state that a person wishes he had died?
BEFORE knowing the full facts?

Did I say that it's ok for other people to wish someone dead?

NOPE, I didn't!

Everyone has their own views & opinions on this subject. They don't reflect my views & opinions.
 
I´ll be honest and say that with research like this, you need patience. I have none.
Every paragraph of information down this road requires looking in to more links, which lead to more links which...

Yeah, but the prize is exposing the crime of the century...
All I´m saying is that I would love to know EXACTLY what she is being gagged about. Details, dates, numbers , quotes. Especially when she describes intricate links between the US and Al Qaeda up until 9/11.
Cut the crap and lay it on the table.
Would YOU not like to know??

So what are you doing to find out?

I suspect that she has been exagerating her own importance and that the kind of info that she would have been exposed to in her position as a part-time translator might not be as exciting as she makes out. Please prove me wrong.

Out of curiosity did Obama renew the gagging order or is it indeterminate?

I have no idea. I'm not even sure that she is subject to any kind of gag order beyond the kind of confidentiality agreement that would normally apply to any former FBI employee.
 
You have to admit that they have went to extraordinary lengths to silence the woman.
Until we have the full details disclosed we cannot say that she has proof of an ´inside job´ but she describes a close relationship between elements within the US government, CIA and the very people who were going to crash 4 planes into a country that would obviously retaliate?

No she doesn't. Read her deposition from August. None of this stuff about CIA ties with bin Ladin has anything to do with her short 6 month stint in the FBI as translator post-9/11. She says as much clearly in the transcript. In other words she's not privy to anything that isn't already out in the open in that regard. She didn't even start making such claims until 2005 after she had founded the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition and talked with other interested parties. That means they're not even her claims, so whatever the status of her credibility it has nothing to do with these particular allegations. The only part of her testimony relevant to 9/11 concerns a conversation she claims she had with a fellow translator who told her he saw a document which warned about OBL planning attacks on US cities with commercial airliners. That's hearsay, and even if it is true it wouldn't exactly be groundbreaking as it wasn't the only such warning of OBL planning attacks in America (which are of varying degrees of specificity and veracity, and often contradict each other.) If you're interested in the many incidents of intelligence failure leading to the 9/11 attacks, particularly in the poor communication between the FBI and the CIA, read the 9/11 Commission Report.

I will not, however, be discussing this any further in this thread. Most of these things you've mentioned are entirely off-topic and have already been done to death in many other threads. I would advise you to either do a search of the forum (using the google search in the pull down menu, the tags search doesn't work too well) or start a new thread to discuss whatever questions or concerns you have about 9/11. This is not a good thread to address any of them, and you're not likely to get the most informed responses here. As I said earlier, this is basically a troll thread which is not conducive to serious debate about 9/11. If you want to talk about truthers and debunkers and how mean they are to each other and all that BS, then go ahead, you're in the correct thread.

Also, you should have a look at the forum rules as laid out in the membership agreement. I think a number of your posts may be in violation of rule 4.
 
I am not sure if this belongs here or in a new thread:

From Nov 4's edition of The Crimson (their website seems to be down atm):

A recent Harvard Law School graduate has been accused of setting fire to a New York City chapel that houses the remains of unidentified victims of the 9/11 attacks,

There is also a story from the NY Daily News on the topic.

Its not clear why he did it but I wonder if he was a truther.
 
So what?



There is military action, but it's not a war on terror. It's an aggressive resource war and an industrial gangster enterprise.




What's bombing Pakistan achieving?

Why do you hate the US so?
 
My whole objection was to Von Brunn being lumped in with ´The Truth Movement´ which I saw as a gross generalisation.

Von Brunn has been lumped in with the 9/11 "truth" movement because he is a 9/11 truther. Just like the pittsburgh cop-killer.


Page after page of jokes about the police tasering and shooting Jim Duensing. They already had him tried and convicted. The worst of it was how some people felt it was okay to make the following comments because he was a ´twoofer´

Now tell me this guy wasn´t dehumanised to the point where people felt that they could go so far with their comments?
Because of a label.
You yourself withdrew a comment. Mind sharing it?

Who else but a 9/11 truther would use the case of a 9/11 truther who pulled a gun on a cop in an attempt to prove truthers aren't dangerous?

That's almost stundie material there, Mudlark.
 
The post I answered was referring to 9/11 as not having been proved to be an ´inside job´ on Sibel Edmonds´ testimony.
OBL is the suspect.
I pointed out in her testimony that there was a close relationship on all levels between the US and OBL/Al Qaeda. According to HER testimony.
But..

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html

Wow... that didn't take long. It took Mudlark less than ten posts after the magic 15 to post his first link to a Holocaust denial website.

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Were they there for Decoration?? Maybe for a playground for the little kids of the neighborhood?? WTF Jihad?? please tell me your a just playing dumb, and you really do understand what an ICDM that is topped with a nuke is for. It certainly isn't for making mashed potatoes.

They were their because of concerns that the US was about to invade Cuba and, probably, to challenge the placing of US nuclear weapons in Italy and Turkey.

The USSR was, to some extent, able to check US power but that does not mean they were seeking to destroy the US. The Cuba missiles barely effected the strategic nuclear balance (US 5,000 to USSR 300). The "Evil Empire" threat was massively exaggerated, just as the threat form al Qaeda has been.

The threat to worry about is that posed by the existence "big dog" kick ass nuclear weapons anywhere.


Proof?? Collapsing?? Didn't FORD just post a 997 million dollar profit for the 3rd Quarter?? Hummm.....Yeah.....collapsing.......um.....No??

A curious, skeptical person might wonder how Ford could have made such a profit in the current financial climate. It lost over $1bn on its core business of selling cars and trucks and is over a hundred billion debt. Its posted profit is entirely due to a a one-off financial boost from a debt restructuring. It certainly isn't evidence of economic recovery.


Maybe I am misunderstanding what this is saying. It seems to me like you blieve that the terrorists didn't exist and there was no crime, or something.

Despite its popularity here, lazy stereotyping has no place in critical thinking.


So, destroying 3 buildings, damaging a third, causing the deaths of 3,000 people, and causing the financial meltdown of 2001 was "GREATLY EXAGGERATED"??? If you believe that, please seek mental help.

There was a financial meltdown on the cards before the attacks.

The terror threat was exaggerated and hyped after 911, with, for example, rubbish claims that the US was riddled with sleeper cells waiting to be activated.



I might agree with that. I think it is also that we are USING the intelligence that we DO receive to PREVENT it. Instead of sitting back feeling invincible like we used to, we brought the war to THEM.

The people of Iraq and Afghanistan are "THEM"?



Good. No harm there. What is your point?? Who do you think is helping to arrange the meeting with their maker??? Yepo, good old USofA. Damn straight, and don't you ever forget that.

One doesn't need a global war to asssassinate a few hundred people.

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Sorry, enemy combatants, with no gevernment affiliation, that wear no offical uniform, do not faall under the Geneva Convention protection. They know damn well what they are there for. Me personally, they could have left them in the desert with their insides on the outside, but, that is another topic for a complete nother thread.

As with your Ford "fact" you need do some research before making wild claims that more than a small minority are "enemy combatants".



Did I say that?? Um...No. Nice strawman. Are we seeking out nothing BUT innocent people?? No. Stop with the stupidity. Just try for once to stop being the American hater that you cleaarly are, and listen for a minute.

Here are your words, in which the only discernible diference between "you" and "them" is that "you" have got your own airplanes with which to kill innocent civilians by the thousand:


You damn right. When you come over here, and ******* attack us, and kill INNOCENT people, you had BETTER damn well believe we will return the favor.
But, you see, were not hijacking planes like them. We are much better than that.





We did?? KSM?? What?? Money??? What does one have to do with the other?? You think this war is killing us?? Not hardly. The financial recession is from the housing bubble collapse, the idiots at banks writing loans to people who had no business owning a home, and nobody overseeing the two.

Sorry, that is the reason for the recession. BTW, 997 million dollar PROFIT for FMC this quarter.

See above about Ford's Depression profit and there were people overseeing housing bubble frauds but they, the regulators, collaborated in the fraud.

The Chinese and Japanese have been paying for the US resource wars. With the collapse of confidence in the US financial system and economy that is unlikely to continue for very long.
 
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However, if you can provide any reasonable doubt that she is lying, I'll stand corrected. As it is right now, no reasonable doubt exists. She is 100% honest.

Stundied. And this is a classic example of what I'm talking about; even if Sibel Edmonds is right, the best case would be that you're using flawed reasoning to reach a correct conclusion. If you're right, you're only right by accident.

Dave
 
JihadJane - by all means report a post if you think it is a breach of the Membership Agreement however repeatedly posting "reported" doesn't serve any purpose and is really nothing more than posting off-topic.
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Are you sure you don't mean you hope he was?

No. I am peeved that he did it and I wondered whether he was a known truther. He was head of Harvard's LGBT society so it might have something to do with the campaign against gay marriage but there is no evidence for that either.

I guess we will wait and see.
 

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