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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
The difference is the lying deceiving Hitler (remember his treaties with Chamberlain and the Russians) proclaimed his belief in Christianity with his worthless words only, whereas he demonstrated his belief in the Spartan philosophy of warfare and eugenics by his actions.
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Remember how some so-called god called the Jews his chosen people……………..

Paul

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DOC said:
Christ said go into all the world and "preach" the gospel. He never said hey write all this stuff down. And that is what the 11 apostles who got martyred did.
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I'm not sure what you mean. When you say, "And that is what the 11 apostles who got martyred did," does "that" refer to:

A. Preaching the gospel
B. Not writing all this stuff down.
C. A and B.

If your answer is either B or C, what about Matthew? I suspect most of the posters on this thread doubt that Matthew wrote the gospel assigned to him, but I thought you believed that he did.

If, however, you are saying that none of the apostles* wrote anything down, are you admitting that the gospels are not first hand accounts of eyewitnesses and are therefore of questionably historical reliability?


*Except maybe John, who wasn't martyred, according to your lists.
 
DOC said:
I did- well actually it was part of philosophy 101- and I got an A. I also did well in probability which was part of a college math course. So when I say something increases the likelihood (probability) of something I know what I'm talking about.
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If you are truly using probablistic logic in your arguments here, the problem with your reasoning is that your entailment isn't valid.
 
X said:
It might help you understand why all the "evidence" you have trotted out so far is not actually evidence, and why your arguments are invalid.

You've used almost every logical fallacy I can name in this thread alone.

Every post of yours in which you try to provide evidence, fails due to these fallacies.

The fact is that you do not see this, do not understand this, and disregard our explanations of it.

You plainly have no understanding of logic. This is why you do not understand our objections to what you say.

So please, take a course in introductory logic and critical thinking. It will help you.


Because, to date, you have not provided one iota of what was promised in the thread title.

All you've done is provided irrelevancies, nonsense, and off-topic blather which you pretend is related to the topic.
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Another generalized opinionated post that offers no information, and no specific examples. Why don't people just let my 1200 posts stand for themselves instead of continually trying to influence others with such generalized opinions and no specifics.
 
DOC said:
The difference is the lying deceiving Hitler (remember his treaties with Chamberlain and the Russians) proclaimed his belief in Christianity with his worthless words only, whereas he demonstrated his belief in the Spartan philosophy of warfare and eugenics by his actions.
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Odd. When you were confronted with the murderous actions of Christopher Columbus, you didn't say anything of the sort. Instead, you made excuse after excuse for him.
 
DOC said:
I did- well actually it was part of philosophy 101- and I got an A. I also did well in probability which was part of a college math course. So when I say something increases the likelihood (probability) of something I know what I'm talking about.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're lying here.

Why?

Because you've repeatedly engaged in logical fallacy after logical fallacy. To whit:

Argument ad populum. (You didn't even know what this was, until someone explained it to you.)
Appeal to authority. (Not to mention appeal to false authority.)
Quotes out of context.
Non-sequitur.

I know, I know. Your response is going to be along the lines of "waaah another post with no information." But you'll be lying again.
 
Paulhoff said:
Remember how some so-called god called the Jews his chosen people……………..
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They are His chosen people, that is why Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and all the apostles and all the writers of the NT were Jewish. Unfortunately not all the Jews have accepted the NT but world history is not over yet.
 
DOC said:
The difference is the lying deceiving Hitler (remember his treaties with Chamberlain and the Russians) proclaimed his belief in Christianity with his worthless words only, whereas he demonstrated his belief in the Spartan philosophy of warfare and eugenics by his actions.
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Whereas all other christians proclaim belief in Christianity with ridiculous superstitions, faulty logic and/or outright lies

Do you have a point?
 
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DOC said:
They are His chosen people, that is why Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and all the apostles and all the writers of the NT were Jewish. Unfortunately not all the Jews have accepted the NT but world history is not over yet.
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And there is a very good reason, Jesus didn't do anything that the Messiah supposed to do in the Hebrew Bible, and it is written, “An anointed king who will lead the Jews back to the land of Israel and establish justice in the world". And there are a whole lot of things that this Jesus didn’t do. So, they are still waiting for that Messiah guy.

Paul

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DOC said:
I did- well actually it was part of philosophy 101- and I got an A. I also did well in probability which was part of a college math course. So when I say something increases the likelihood (probability) of something I know what I'm talking about.
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Then why do you routinely (some would say "solely") rely on logical fallacies to make your arguments?

You seem to think that because someone described Luke as a first-rate historian, that it must be so.
Which plainly shows you have no concept of why "Argument from Authority" is a fallacy. If you did, you wouldn't use it.

And even there, you have to quote-mine the guy.
Showing you have no concept of why quote mining is considered dishonest. If you did, you wouldn't do it.


You have repeatedly referred to the number of Christians in the world, and how man posts you've made, as evidence for your claims.
Showing you have no concept of why "Argument from Popularity" is a fallacy. If you did, you wouldn't use it.


You have made many posts where your conclusion in no way follows from your statements.
Showing you have no concept of what a non sequitur is nor why it is considered fallacious. If you did, you wouldn't use it.


If, as you claim, you have taken a course covering these concepts, then it is patently obvious to anyone reading this thread (except you) that you are failing utterly to apply critical thinking skills to your apologetics.

Somewhere between your brain and your writing, the reasoning part of your brain gets bypassed.

So, if you are familiar with critical thinking, USE IT!




DOC said:
Another generalized opinionated post that offers no information, and no specific examples. Why don't people just let my 1200 posts stand for themselves instead of continually trying to influence others with such generalized opinions and no specifics.
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No information, you say?
Did you read my post?
My point was very clear, and is there for everyone to read.
As for not posting specific examples, well, your "1200 posts stand for themselves".
I was spoilt for choice, and didn't feel like spending the time digging.

If anyone wants examples, read the last 5 pages of this thread. They abound.


And for the record: I wasn't trying to influence others. I was trying to influence YOU.
I was/am attempting to get you to start thinking about what you preach, instead of only thinking what you preach.
So that you can actually make effective posts people will respect and think about, instead of the low-grade garbage you've been spewing these last few years.
 
DOC said:
Christ said go into all the world and "preach" the gospel. He never said hey write all this stuff down. And that is what the 11 apostles who got martyred did.
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if you say so.....:rolleyes:
 
DOC said:
The difference is the lying deceiving Hitler (remember his treaties with Chamberlain and the Russians) proclaimed his belief in Christianity with his worthless words only, whereas he demonstrated his belief in the Spartan philosophy of warfare and eugenics by his actions.
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So,what about the slave owners of the south? Were they being christian or weren't they?
 
DOC said:
Christopher Columbus was not perfect but my posts in the Columbus thread speak for themselves
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Indeed they do... collectively spelling out, in letters a gazillion miles high, the word FAIL

From that thread
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DOC, you have this severe addiction to historical myopia. Contrary to the impression you might be getting at school, history is not about the factoids--it's about the context.
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DOC said:
I'm not going to repeat them all here.
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Promises, promises...
 
DOC said:
They are His chosen people, that is why Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and all the apostles and all the writers of the NT were Jewish. Unfortunately not all the Jews have accepted the NT but world history is not over yet.
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I thought Luke was supposed to be Greek.
 
X said:
You seem to think that because someone described Luke as a first-rate historian, that it must be so.
Which plainly shows you have no concept of why "Argument from Authority" is a fallacy. If you did, you wouldn't use it.
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Yes, but some evidence has been given for why we can conclude Gospel writer Luke was a first rate historian. Go to this site and scroll down to the 84 detailed facts of Luke.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=51643

If we know he got all of these highly detailed facts right it is only a supernatural bias that keeps us from believing he got the 35 miracles he reported on (in the same matter of fact style he reported the 84 facts) right.
 
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