Why do (some) astrologers ask for the exact time of birth?

[Astro Teacher]

Perhaps I phrased that badly. When you use the tools of astronomy, you are given information. How do you know which information comes from astrology and which comes from you? (Not a general astrologer but specifically you.)

That's easy, it comes from expertise, knowledge and experience. When I am working, I am working.

 

[kitakaze]

Astro Teacher, welcome to the JREF. A few questions...

1) What are yor credentials as an astrologer?

2) Why do you refer to astrologers as "natives"?

3) You said...



That statement leads me to believe that you have an incorrect understanding of the science of electromagnetism. Have you studied the science of electromagnetism and do you understand the phenomenom of magnetic resonance?

I am a master astrologer and teacher with over 30+ years of experience. The word "natives" is a reference to a person whose chart, or nativity, is to be read.

Regarding magnetism. My assessment is correct. All of space, and every inch of our planet is filled with magnetic lines of influence and strength. Distance is not a factor in astrological forecasting - mathematics is, and by angles of force, we make our forecasts. I under the phenomena of magnetic resonance very, very well as I have been applying it professionally as an astrologer.

1) You did not give me your credentials in Astrology. You told me you are a master and have done it for 30 years. Where did you study? What certification do you have? What body or group recognizes you self-labelling as a master astrologer?

2) Why is a person's chart called their "nativity"?

3) Can you please explain the phenomenom of magnetic resonance as it relates to astrology? Please be specific. Where did you study electromagnetism? Finally, which of the following units do you use to measure magnetic resonance?

ampere (current)
coulomb (charge)
farad (capacitance)
henry (inductance)
ohm (resistance)
volt (electric potential)
watt (power)
tesla (magnetic field)
weber (flux)

Hello, Astro Teacher. The thread has been quite busy, so I'm sure you missed these questions, but I'm hoping you can teach me about questions one and three in bold. The nativity bit I found myself, the others are for you specifically.

 

[kitakaze]

Astro Teacher, regarding this post here...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5266098&postcount=115

And this quote here...

Chapter 5.1 - Concerning Birth Time Rectification & Verification


Death is quite a taboo subject in Astrology and many astrologers will glaze over it or sugar coat the fact that each Nativity shows not only the time of death but also the method. Analyzing death significations is quite important, even if it is for self study.

Have you discerned from your nativity when and how you will die?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Of course they do, since meteorology came from natural astrology. This was the first use of astrology by humanity, for obvious reasons, we all have to eat.

Ahem. Excuse me. If astrology is (or has been) used to make weather predictions then one is to hope these forecasts have been recorded somewhere. Where is this place? Let's compare them against the actual recorded weather and see how good the predictions are.

Unless what you are saying is that Winter is coming when the Sun gets lower in the sky, in which case the claim seems to be somewhat trivial.

 

[Pixel42]

Take my answers as I give them.

I would, if you gave them. If you continue to fail to give them, I am bound to conclude that you don't have any.

If you think they are "unsupported" I see that as just one more of the skeptic's ruse to not do her own reading, her own thinking.

If you do not support your assertions then they are, by definition, unsupported. It's not up to me to search for evidence to support your assertions, that's your job. Again, if you do not do so I can only conclude that you cannot.

You can read, can you not?

Indeed. I have read extensively about irrational beliefs and the many reasons why people form them and maintain them. I have never seen the slightest evidence that there is anything going on, especially with astrology, that cannot be explained by confirmation bias and subjective validation. It's clear that you are not going to provide me with any.

There are excellent books out there for you at the touch of a botton. You don't even have to use your free library card anymore if you don't want to. I am not the openly person to state these things. Read for yourself. Think for yourself.

Right back at you.

 

[Paulhoff]

Sorry Paul... way, way off. Times change mathematical angles. You do know that time and space are always in motion?

It is still BS, no matter how you sell it.

Paul

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

There are good books on the subject. You will find them in the works of Claudius Ptolemy, the father of astronomy and geometry who was an astrologer.

Ptolemy? I don't remember him from any of my meteorology textbooks.

I suppose I am also supposed to accept Ptolemy's proof that the Earth is absolutely stationary and the planets, Sun and stars revolve around it attached to crystal spheres.

If accurate meteorological forecasts can be made using astrological principles, give me a place I can see them.

 

[Nonpareil]

That's your opinion and your own bunch of
belief. Don't like scary answers? Then don't ask scary questions.

Scary? No. Nonsensical and unfounded? Yes.
Astro Teacher, you can make these claims all you want, but until you actually give some evidence for them, no one is going to believe you in the slightest. Making unfounded claims to support unfounded claims doesn't help you.

Astrologers have their tools too. We use mathematics to read, invent, and direct. Remember, astrologers invented the tools of astronomy, meteorology, chemistry, geography, including medicine.

Again, you must offer EVIDENCE.

Many of the drugs now known to humanity were discovered by astrologers who founded chemistry and homeopathy while the forerunners of conventional medicine were still practicing horrific procedures, not washing their hands because the astrologers could not show them the "germs" that were out there while these conventional doctors inserted their dirty hands into the bodies of patients. Read the history. It's all there.

You astrologers must not be very good at medicine, then.

Take my answers as I give them. If you think they are "unsupported" I see that as just one more of the skeptic's ruse to not do her own reading, her own thinking. You can read, can you not? There are excellent books out there for you at the touch of a botton. You don't even have to use your free library card anymore if you don't want to. I am not the openly person to state these things. Read for yourself. Think for yourself.

The problem, Astro Teacher, is that the reading either doesn't support your claims or tries to support it with unsupported claims of its own. Bare assertion plus bare assertion is still bare assertion.

Support for anyone's assertions is a belief construct to either soothe your own "beliefs" or to support your own predetermined unsupported conclusions. Being a skeptic for skeptic's sake is a waste of life and certainly of brain cells.

No. Being a skeptic for skepticism's sake is a way to make sure that you don't go around believing in nonsense and making a fool of yourself.

If you ask such questions, do not then demand anyone to support them.

That's easy, it comes from expertise, knowledge and experience. When I am working, I am working.

And again, this does not answer the question.

 

[Astro Teacher]

My work

Hello, Astro Teacher. The thread has been quite busy, so I'm sure you missed these questions, but I'm hoping you can teach me about questions one and three in bold. The nativity bit I found myself, the others are for you specifically.

Sorry, yes, I did miss them kitakaze. I studied with a variety of astrological experts over 30 years. My main profession is scientific (I also studied the human brain.) I prefer the Tesla method on magnetic fields.

Mainly I spend time on Torsion Field Physics of planetary bodies and electromagnetic vibrations from the Sun and the planets. The planets rotate and cause sound throughout space. The tones change according to placements and combine with other planetary bodies in mathematical configurations that increase or decrease the sounds and electromagnetic tones of the Sun and planets.

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsqxpNNoDs0&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XLa6hvgeEE&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fq...278838CD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgw_Ah3aQI8&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFFGdTI9KeA&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Ngl2RY8sA&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_QKCpjNvh8&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdwGb-iJOeI

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOiV1RSfMnQ&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrFdndWjz9w&feature=related

My main interest astrologically is Unified Field Theory - http://www.allanstime.com/UnifiedFieldTheory/Planets_Alignment/UFT_excerpt.htm

I studied celestial magnetic wave motion, and influxes of the Interplanetary Magnetic Field - http://spaceweather.com/glossary/imf.html

I also study these wave motions - http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html

And these - http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/Dispersion/dispersion.html

 

[Nonpareil]

Mainly I spend time on Torsion Field Physics of planetary bodies and electromagnetic vibrations from the Sun and the planets. The planets rotate and cause sound throughout space. The tones change according to placements and combine with other planetary bodies in mathematical configurations that increase or decrease the sound and electromagnetic tones.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I'll double dog that.

Don't forget to oil the axes else the planets squeak and you can't hear the music.

 

[Nonpareil]

I'll double dog that.

Don't forget to oil the axes else the planets squeak and you can't hear the music.

I wonder if AT also means "magnetic waves" literally. Silver Surfer, anyone?

 

[six7s]

My main interest astrologically is Unified Field Theory - http://www.allanstime.com/UnifiedFieldTheory/Planets_Alignment/UFT_excerpt.htm

I studied celestial magnetic wave motion, and influxes of the Interplanetary Magnetic Field - http://spaceweather.com/glossary/imf.html

I also study these wave motions - http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html

And these - http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/Dispersion/dispersion.html

So... Astro Teacher (who has me on ignore) is content to explain how he/she has spent time studying... but (unless I'm much mistaken) has so far contrived to omit any reference to actually doing anything...

Curiouser and curiouser

 

[Astro Teacher]

Wow, three people already on the ignore list, (Sixs7, Pure_Argent, and Gord from Toronto) and from the comments I've read on other topics they post to, I am doing quite well in discovering those who do not seem to have outgrown puberty.

While most on the JREF board seem to have fine critical minds, and appear to be adult, I want to thank them and give kudos to those who can agree to disagree but are grownups about it.

 

[Nonpareil]

Wow, three people already on the ignore list, (Sixs7, Pure_Argent, and Gord from Toronto) and from the comments I've read on other topics they post to, I am doing quite well in discovering those who do not seem to have outgrown puberty.

While most on the JREF board seem to have fine critical minds, and appear to be adult, I want to thank them and give kudos to those who can agree to disagree but are grownups about it.

Three ignores before your hundredth post? I think that's a new record. And may I again state that lying through your teeth and getting called out on it in no way makes the people calling you out childish?

 

[kitakaze]

Sorry, yes, I did miss them kitakaze. I studied with a variety of astrological experts over 30 years. My main profession is scientific (I also studied the human brain.) I prefer the Tesla method on magnetic fields.

Mainly I spend time on Torsion Field Physics of planetary bodies and electromagnetic vibrations from the Sun and the planets. The planets rotate and cause sound throughout space. The tones change according to placements and combine with other planetary bodies in mathematical configurations that increase or decrease the sound and electromagnetic tones.

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fq...278838CD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=55

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_QKCpjNvh8&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdwGb-iJOeI

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOiV1RSfMnQ&feature=related

See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrFdndWjz9w&feature=related

My main interest astrologically is Unified Field Theory - http://www.allanstime.com/UnifiedFieldTheory/Planets_Alignment/UFT_excerpt.htm

I studied celestial magnetic wave motion, and influxes of the Interplanetary Magnetic Field - http://spaceweather.com/glossary/imf.html

I also study these wave motions - http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html

And these - http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/Dispersion/dispersion.html

Astro Teacher, thank you for addressing some of my questions. Unfortunately, I'm still a little confused...

1) You said you were a master astrologer. What group or organization has accredited you as a master? What certification do you have that qualifies you as a master? If I talk to someone and they tell me they are a master chef, they can tell me where they studied cuisine, who they apprenticed with, what awards they've received, etc. What experts have you studied with and what qualifies them as experts? What certification do they have? I'd like to know if I'm really talking to a master astrologer, because no offence, but you could be pretending.

2) You said your main profession is scientific. Do you mean you are a scientist? What science degrees do you have? You mentioned you studied the human brain. Do you mean neurology or psychology? Also, you mention mathematics, electromagnetism, algebra, geometry. What school did you study electromagnetism at? Where did you study mathematics?

3) I asked you what electromagnetic unit you use to measure magnetic resonance and you said you prefer the Tesla Method. I am confused, because the Tesla method is not an electromagnetic unit. The Tesla Method refers to telegeodynamics, which is an electromechanical earth-resonance concept for underground seismic exploration proposed by Nikola Tesla.

4) Regarding your youtube links...

First - That link regarding the electromagnetic "sounds". Space is full of sounds from radio waves, plasma etc. Sorry, what was yor training in electromagnetism again?

Second - An image of the sun with four planets seen orbiting taken from Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO), a spacecraft of ESA and NASA. Very nice but I'm not sure of the significance. Can you explain?

Third - Images of solar flares from SOHO set to music by Moby. Cool. Definitely solar flares have an important impact on our planet but I don't understand what this has to do with predictions regarding love, etc.

Fourth and fifth - An image of what appears to be a roughly hexagonal formation on Saturn's gaseous surface. That's from your avatar. It's neat but it's not much of a hexagon. But yes, it's cool the shapes that you can see form in gas and liquids on large and small scales. Again, not sure what this has to do with whatever the service you provide for people is. That brings me to the question - can you help me understand what exactly the service you provide for people is?

5) Regarding your links...

First - An excerpt from unpublished Unified Field Theory paper. I'm a bit confused, in physics, a unified field theory is a type of field theory that allows all of the fundamental forces between elementary particles to be written in terms of a single field. That says it is about sunspot activity, magnetic fields and planetary positions...

Second - A link about the sun's dipolar field and Earth's magnetosphere from Spaceweather.com. I'm wondering where is the research correlating this to human behaviour and predicting world events...

Third and fourth - "Longitudinal and Transverse Wave Motion
Mechanical Waves are waves which propagate through a material medium (solid, liquid, or gas) at a wave speed which depends on the elastic and inertial properties of that medium. There are two basic types of wave motion for mechanical waves: longitudinal waves and transverse waves. The animations below demonstrate both types of wave and illustrate the difference between the motion of the wave and the motion of the particles in the medium through which the wave is travelling."

I'm wondering where is the research correlating this to human behaviour and predicting world events for this, also...

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Wow, three people already on the ignore list, (Sixs7, Pure_Argent, and Gord from Toronto) and from the comments I've read on other topics they post to, I am doing quite well in discovering those who do not seem to have outgrown puberty.

While most on the JREF board seem to have fine critical minds, and appear to be adult, I want to thank them and give kudos to those who can agree to disagree but are grownups about it.

What?? I'm on ignore? I tried to start out so nice too.

Sniff. Sniff. I'll guess I'll never learn any astroloillogical meteorology after all.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Astro Teacher, thank you for addressing some of my questions. Unfortunately, I'm still a little confused...

1) You said you were a master astrologer. What group or organization has accredited you as a master? What certification do you have that qualifies you as a master? If I talk to someone and they tell me they are a master chef, they can tell me where they studied cuisine, who they apprenticed with, what awards they've received, etc. What experts have you studied with and what qualifies them as experts? What certification do they have? I'd like to know if I'm really talking to a master astrologer, because no offence, but you could be pretending.

2) You said your main profession is scientific. Do you mean you are a scientist? What science degrees do you have? You mentioned you studied the human brain. Do you mean neurology or psychology? Also, you mention mathematics, electromagnetism, algebra, geometry. What school did you study electromagnetism at? Where did you study mathematics?

3) I asked you what electromagnetic unit you use to measure magnetic resonance and you said you prefer the Tesla Method. I am confused, because the Tesla method is not an electromagnetic unit. The Tesla Method refers to telegeodynamics, which is an electromechanical earth-resonance concept for underground seismic exploration proposed by Nikola Tesla.

4) Regarding your youtube links...

First - That link regarding the electromagnetic "sounds". Space is full of sounds from radio waves, plasma etc. Sorry, what was yor training in electromagnetism again?

Second - An image of the sun with four planets seen orbiting taken from Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO), a spacecraft of ESA and NASA. Very nice but I'm not sure of the significance. Can you explain?

Third - Images of solar flares from SOHO set to music by Moby. Cool. Definitely solar flares have an important impact on our planet but I don't understand what this has to do with predictions regarding love, etc.

Fourth and fifth - An image of what appears to be a roughly hexagonal formation on Saturn's gaseous surface. That's from your avatar. It's neat but it's not much of a hexagon. But yes, it's cool the shapes that you can see form in gas and liquids on large and small scales. Again, not sure what this has to do with whatever the service you provide for people is. That brings me to the question - can you help me understand what exactly the service you provide for people is?

5) Regarding your links...

First - An excerpt from unpublished Unified Field Theory paper. I'm a bit confused, in physics, a unified field theory is a type of field theory that allows all of the fundamental forces between elementary particles to be written in terms of a single field. That says it is about sunspot activity, magnetic fields and planetary positions...

Second - A link about the sun's dipolar field and Earth's magnetosphere from Spaceweather.com. I'm wondering where is the research correlating this to human behaviour and predicting world events...

Third and fourth - "Longitudinal and Transverse Wave Motion
Mechanical Waves are waves which propagate through a material medium (solid, liquid, or gas) at a wave speed which depends on the elastic and inertial properties of that medium. There are two basic types of wave motion for mechanical waves: longitudinal waves and transverse waves. The animations below demonstrate both types of wave and illustrate the difference between the motion of the wave and the motion of the particles in the medium through which the wave is travelling."

I'm wondering where is the research correlating this to human behaviour and predicting world events for this, also...

Keep that up and you'll be number 4.

 

[Paulhoff]

I am doing quite well in discovering those who do not seem to have outgrown puberty.

Amazing, for someone new here you seem to make quick judgements on people, that would be a sign of puberty by your definition.

Paul

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Amazing, for someone new here you seem to make quick judgements on people, that would be a sign of puberty by your definition.

Paul

Particularly without knowing our birthdates.