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Why do (some) astrologers ask for the exact time of birth?

This thread has 45.76% fewer facts than the previous thread on the subject.

See how much more precise and scientific it sounds rather than "about half"?

Since no two astrologers will provide the same horoscope even if given the same starting data anyway, it lends a pseudo-precise air of accuracy to absolute nonsense.
 
This thread has 45.76% fewer facts than the previous thread on the subject.

See how much more precise and scientific it sounds rather than "about half"?

Since no two astrologers will provide the same horoscope even if given the same starting data anyway, it lends a pseudo-precise air of accuracy to absolute nonsense.

A non-nonsensical comment. Much depends on the astrologers, if they are professional, and know what they are doing. As for being "scientific" that is a matter of perspective. You cannot find two scientists who will give you a consensus on the same explaination on what constitutes "science."
 
Applied Astrology

Ok then. What level of accuracy is required to get an accurate astrological reading for an individual? Is a reading more accurate the more accurate the time of birth is known?

It is not so much "accuracy" as it is proficiency. I teach my students never to give out "personality" readings as I find them bogus. You can find these kinds of so-called "readings" a dime a dozen.

Applied astrology is very difficult to master, and only the skilled astrologer can perform on this level. There are literally millions of people who try to skip the basic steps in learning this priori-based science, but often they fail simply because they have not taken their studies seriously enough to go step by step.

There is mathematics, applied astronomy, and history, along with learning to observe the natural world. I never, ever, begin with Natal astrology with students until they first have proved that they understand the physical before the metaphysical.

Birth time can show the positions of celestial bodies relative to geographic location, and the effects are real, this can be seen in astrological weather forecasting for instance as meteorology was invented by astrologers, as was medicine as well.

I tend to be very tough on students to perform in the area of actual forecasting, for it is here that physical events can be noted, and measured. What most skeptics forget, and many do not know, is that there is a long history of analog data from astronomical observations that are used in forecasting. However, whether one wants to "believe" in it or not is personal, and has very little to do with Astrology, as it is applied by serious practitioners of the art and science.
 
A native what?

Under what circumstances is it required, then?

Surely you're joking?

Either the position of the stars is important and the place and time of my birth allow you to trace them, or they are not important (to the degree of a few minutes or kilometres), right?

How can the competence of the astrologer make any difference?

Yes. that number is 100% and has always been 100%.

And at yet other times, different made up ******** stories were used instead. The question here is: How is one made up rationalisation justified as being better than another?

No, I am not joking. In order for you to learn anything about Astrology - and I am talking about Serious Astrology - you will need to at least learn some of the basic language used - especially in knowing if there is any kind of competence of any so-called "astrologer."

There are a lot of game players in both the astrological and non-astrological sectors - and both are jokes in my perspective. They mean nothing simply because they are surface feeders who pass off their own personal "beliefs" and ignorance as facts when nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to the real story of Applied Astrology.

For instance, in weather forecasting, which was the first use of applied astrology, you will find that celestial configurations throughout different geographic regions lead to various kinds of climate and weather. This has been seen for many centuries, and there is proven data to show the accuracy of astrological weather forecasting, mainly long-term climate and weather forecasting.

There is a very serious history here, for Astrology gave birth to many of the sciences many now take for granted.

Natal astrology cannot be "proved" in the sense that most people would like to see it "proved" or "disproved." It is a waste of time. This is a metaphysical area, and there is not determined way to prove natal astrology except to the native along (that is, the person who is forecasted for) - and, remember, that so-called "personality readings," in my mind, are bogus and a waste of time.

It's like trying to prove the existence of "love" and then to measure it. Now, we all know that love does, in fact, exist, and that we cannot see it, yes?

How to prove that love really exists? Is that a waste of time or what? Of course it is.

I never tell a person about themselves when I read their own transits. I always say to a client that they know themselves much better than I ever could.

The Sun, Moon, and planets and stars do not require your "belief" for them to operate in our world, which they do electromagnetically. Distance is not an issue for those who know something about this, it is all in angles, movement, and the strengths and weaknesses in magnetic resonance.

I only read their personal transits, and forecast potential future events in the physical world in a practical matter, much like a weather report for a period of time that can be used by the person.

Everyone has free will, but we cannot escape the laws of physics, such as the weather. We can plan in advance, and "dress" for the weather. This is the proper way to navigate through our personal lives.

I find these kinds of forecasts much more useful for a person, since they can use astrological reports to navigate their lives better, and, also, can note their own "weather" forecasted in advance.
 
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It either works or not .. Wanting to believe will not make it work ..

If it works, you can earn a million dollars ...

( Waits for some story about how the money is not important .... )

“Anyone can be a millionaire, but to become a billionaire you need an astrologer.” ~ John Pierpont Morgan
 
Astro Teacher, welcome to the JREF. A few questions...

1) What are yor credentials as an astrologer?

2) Why do you refer to astrologers as "natives"?

3) You said...

The Sun, Moon, and planets and stars do not require your "belief" for them to operate in our world, which they do electromagnetically. Distance is not an issue for those who know something about this, it is all in angles, movement, and the strengths and weaknesses in magnetic resonance.

That statement leads me to believe that you have an incorrect understanding of the science of electromagnetism. Have you studied the science of electromagnetism and do you understand the phenomenom of magnetic resonance?
 
I'll try and stay polite since you are a professional, but . . .

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For instance, in weather forecasting, which was the first use of applied astrology, you will find that celestial configurations throughout different geographic regions lead to various kinds of climate and weather. This has been seen for many centuries, and there is proven data to show the accuracy of astrological weather forecasting, mainly long-term climate and weather forecasting.

Do you have any references for this? I am (or once was) a professional meteorologist and it strikes that an awful lot of climatologists have been wasting their time without this knowledge.

 
Ahhh... so... not because they were born at 11:59:59 a.m. on 01 April

That is also possible but would, obviously, depend on the latitude at the time of birth and the hospital's porter's lunch on the previous Monday.
 
Astro Teacher, welcome to the JREF. A few questions...

1) What are yor credentials as an astrologer?

2) Why do you refer to astrologers as "natives"?

3) You said...



That statement leads me to believe that you have an incorrect understanding of the science of electromagnetism. Have you studied the science of electromagnetism and do you understand the phenomenom of magnetic resonance?

I am a master astrologer and teacher with over 30+ years of experience. The word "natives" is a reference to a person whose chart, or nativity, is to be read.

Regarding magnetism. My assessment is correct. All of space, and every inch of our planet is filled with magnetic lines of influence and strength. Distance is not a factor in astrological forecasting - mathematics is, and by angles of force, we make our forecasts. I under the phenomena of magnetic resonance very, very well as I have been applying it professionally as an astrologer.
 
Brilliant!

Waiting for next excuse...

Chirp, chirp ...

Actually try to discuss this topic intelligently without resorting to weak simplistic quips and you may actually learn more about serious astrology than you've shown Greg. You can do that without "chirping" yes?
 
Please. If you cannot be serious and frame a cogent argument to support your comments don't even bother to address me, thanks.
OK...

I am both serious and sincere when I ask why you assert - without ANY substantive/supporting evidence - what is (to me) obviously a lie

Please, prove me wrong

You said:
Astro Teacher said:
There is a very serious history here, for Astrology gave birth to many of the sciences many now take for granted.

Please name ONE such field of science and explain how it was born from astrology

Thank you in advance
 
I under the phenomena of magnetic resonance very, very well as I have been applying it professionally as an astrologer.
Please describe ONE benefit from a professional astrological application of magnetic resonance
 
OK...

I am both serious and sincere when I ask why you assert - without ANY substantive/supporting evidence - what is (to me) obviously a lie

Please, prove me wrong

You said:


Please name ONE such field of science and explain how it was born from astrology

Thank you in advance

There are plenty:

Medicine
Meteorology
Mathematics
Astronomy
Biology

Among others.

Yor're welcome.
 

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