Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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shemp said:
On the Internet, those who exhibit the most anger, patriotism and bravado are those who live in mommy's basement.
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Pretty much the same in any organization. Those who scream loudest for war are generally not going to go to the front.
 
Meanwhile, in the real world, no-one talks about 'Birthers' anymore, from what I am able to deduce. Looks like it's still a good thing.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Fortunately, the sane side has more bullets. Because if the crazies really are that damn unhinged, that's what it will come down to.
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More importantly, the sane side is much younger than the 50+ year olds that make up the bulk of the birthers.
 
Arcade22 said:
Hypothetically: What would happen if Obama is found to be "ineligible"?
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The Legislative Branch would have to go through an impeachment procedure.
1. The House of Representative would issue articles of impeachment.
2. The Senate would hear the case and vote to convict or not. Conviction must be by 2/3 of those present. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court precides since the President of the Senate is the Vice President.
3. If convicted by Legislative Branch, Joe Biden would be sworn in as the President for the remainder of the term and he would nominate a Vice-President to replace himself and he/she would be approved by congress.
 
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Arcade22 said:
Hypothetically: What would happen if Obama is found to be "ineligible"?
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Just my layperson's opinion, but I don't think at this point there is any Constitutional way the judicary can adjudicate Obama "ineligible".

The best the Birthastanians can now do is agree that Obama was legitimately elected president based on the information avaliable at the time of the election. Next they would have to make the case (to the House of Representatives) that he has committed a "high crime or misdemeanor" based on a lie about his place of birth. If there was evidence of this then it could lead to an impeachment, trial in the Senate then a removal.
 
CptColumbo said:
They would have to go through an impeachment procedure. It would be like a trial where the evidence is presented. If convicted by Legislative Branch, Joe Biden would be sworn in as the President for the remainder of the term and he would nominate a Vice-President which would be approved by congress.
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Thank you for the clarification.

I haven't bothered to read into this "movement", but do they even have any evidence that Obama is ineligible?
 
Arcade22 said:
Thank you for the clarification.

I haven't bothered to read into this "movement", but do they even have any evidence that Obama is ineligible?
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From what I can see, their arguments are just like so many other types of conspiracy theorists; they are simply trying to punch holes in the "official story" without presenting any real evidence to support their position at all.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Just my layperson's opinion, but I don't think at this point there is any Constitutional way the judicary can adjudicate Obama "ineligible".

The best the Birthastanians can now do is agree that Obama was legitimately elected president based on the information avaliable at the time of the election. Next they would have to make the case (to the House of Representatives) that he has committed a "high crime or misdemeanor" based on a lie about his place of birth. If there was evidence of this then it could lead to an impeachment, trial in the Senate then a removal.
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but since there is no "lie" it's pointless.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
but since there is no "lie" it's pointless.
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I agree, but from a Constitutional point of view they have no other road to go down accept impeachment. That, however, would require them to accept Obama as the current, legitimate President, something I think they are unwilling to do.
 
oMg, such stretch of reasoning on that page. "he did not dismiss the case, just dimiss the arguments".

Oh lord.
 
headscratcher4 said:
The reasoning there...if you can call it that...is complete magical thinking. Too sad.
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I read that page and it completely smacks of someone with little knowledge of the law reading desperately trying to find a gotcha to use against the judge. It really is sad, they read the judgement of Judge Carter and nothing sunk in.

There are also the birthers who believe that Carter used have issued a default judgement against Obama, but their logic is just as bad.

Carter effectively said that their case has no merits, but they refuse to accept it.
 
"Dispite all his rancor and loony constitutional theories, Judge David O. Carter has failed to give final judgment..."

These people idiots are comedy gold.
 
Arus808 said:
oMg, such stretch of reasoning on that page. "he did not dismiss the case, just dimiss the arguments".

Oh lord.
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Yeah, that's funny.

As far as I know*, a case might be dismissed on a technicality. You could appeal*. OK. It doesn't necessarily mean you had no case*.

Isn't it far more damning to have all of your arguments declared to be without any merit whatsoever, and your lawyer's tactics questioned ethically and legally by the judge?

*IANAL
 
Arus808 said:
oMg, such stretch of reasoning on that page. "he did not dismiss the case, just dimiss the arguments".

Oh lord.
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I need to reread that decision again. They're claiming that Carter left the door open for a financial lawsuit, but I don't recall anything close to that being an option. He tossed the whole kit and kaboodle.
 
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