Save the planet, go veggie, Oh Lordy

Floyt said:
Meat production by current methods is long term unsustainable. "I like bacon!" is not much of a counter-argument.
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B-b-but it's a meme on the internet which automatically makes it hilarious to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy set.
 
HansMustermann said:
Think of the plants, man, think of the plants. Don't they feel pain too? Can you look a tomato in the eyes when you cut it and not see it squirming?
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"And the angel of the Lord came unto me,
Snatching me up from my
Place of slumber,
And took me on high,
And higher still until we
Moved in the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he bore me unto a
Vast farmland of our own midwest,
And as we descended cries of
Impending doom rose from the soil.
One thousand, nay, a million
Voices full of fear.
And terror possessed me then.
And I begged,

"Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots,
The cries of the carrots.
You see, reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day
And to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat
Like the tears of one millions terrified brothers
And roared,
"Hear me now,
I have seen the light,
They have a consciousness,
They have a life,
They have a soul.
Damn you!
Let the rabbits wear glasses,
Save our brothers...can I get an amen?
Can I get a hallelujah? thank you, Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on...
This is necessary"


Tool
Disgustipated lyrics
 
I think if it comes to his world vision there should be choices:
Choice 1 - become vegetarian
Choice 2 - don't have kids, but eat meat
Choice 3 - have kids, but eat them when they get old enough to consume much
 
Nosi said:
Lord Stern claims that meat will go the way of drunk driving in acceptance.
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"Son, you just blew a 2.0."

"My GOD that's not nearly high enough, officer. Can you point me in the direction of the nearest Hardees?"
 
shawmutt said:
The fertility rate of the richest countries is 2 or lower (US is the exception at 2.1). This means we are either reproducing at a rate that is just enough or lower to replace ourselves. "Third world" countries are reproducing like rabbits, with some having fertility rates of as high as 8!

So, the question is, which "third world" country would you like to decimate?
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All of them. And I even know how.

See, you have to look at the reason why the West suddenly isn't reproducing like rabbits any more.

We all were at that point too. We were basically screwing to beat the odds. Infant mortality and uncertainty about what comes even after that, made people try to beat those odds. If you expect one in three kids to survive, you make 10 to beat the odds. Let's call this Point A.

Then people get antibiotics, sanitation, etc, and all those losses just disappear. But people keep on screwing like rabbits for a while, mostly because that's the way things were always done. Their dad had lots of kids. Their grand-dad had lots of kids. They're not going to stop that trend. This would be Point B.

And then it sinks in that really you don't need more than 1 child to pass on your genes. Maybe get a second, you know, as backup if the firstborn gets run over by a truck. Then they stop. They also start it with the kids later, since, again, they're no longer having a finite time to beat the odds. If one or two kids are enough, you may well enjoy life until the 40's and only then worry about a replacement for yourself. And population actually starts shrinking fast. This is Point C.

The West is pretty much firmly at Point C. Even the current census data actually paint a slightly misleading image. The population decline would be even more dramatic, if it weren't partially offset by immigration... and by the fact that a lot of immigrants come from countries at points A or B. Those still screw like rabbits for a generation or so.

So my genocidal plan is this: let's help more countries get at least the basics. You know, antibiotics, water treatment plants, etc. Let's get them some doctors so those babies don't die half as much. In most cases it doesn't even take much to bump what they already have to a decent level, or just make sure they have spare parts for it.

Then in 50 years tops watch their population start to implode.

I know, I know, it's not as much fun as bombing them ;)
 
Floyt said:
Beef cattle raising IS among the least efficient ways of food production; that goes twice for "cornfed" beef. Sheep and chickens are a bit more defendable, pigs are in between.

Meat production by current methods is long term unsustainable. "I like bacon!" is not much of a counter-argument.

(<-- meateater)
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You can't handle the facts.
 
HansMustermann said:
All of them. And I even know how.

See, you have to look at the reason why the West suddenly isn't reproducing like rabbits any more.

We all were at that point too. We were basically screwing to beat the odds. Infant mortality and uncertainty about what comes even after that, made people try to beat those odds. If you expect one in three kids to survive, you make 10 to beat the odds. Let's call this Point A.

Then people get antibiotics, sanitation, etc, and all those losses just disappear. But people keep on screwing like rabbits for a while, mostly because that's the way things were always done. Their dad had lots of kids. Their grand-dad had lots of kids. They're not going to stop that trend. This would be Point B.

And then it sinks in that really you don't need more than 1 child to pass on your genes. Maybe get a second, you know, as backup if the firstborn gets run over by a truck. Then they stop. They also start it with the kids later, since, again, they're no longer having a finite time to beat the odds. If one or two kids are enough, you may well enjoy life until the 40's and only then worry about a replacement for yourself. And population actually starts shrinking fast. This is Point C.

The West is pretty much firmly at Point C. Even the current census data actually paint a slightly misleading image. The population decline would be even more dramatic, if it weren't partially offset by immigration... and by the fact that a lot of immigrants come from countries at points A or B. Those still screw like rabbits for a generation or so.

So my genocidal plan is this: let's help more countries get at least the basics. You know, antibiotics, water treatment plants, etc. Let's get them some doctors so those babies don't die half as much. In most cases it doesn't even take much to bump what they already have to a decent level, or just make sure they have spare parts for it.

Then in 50 years tops watch their population start to implode.

I know, I know, it's not as much fun as bombing them ;)
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Yeah, I don't think so. If everyone's rich, who will make my clothes, clean my house, or tend my lawn?
 
Going vedgetarian will increase the number of ruminating ungulates since they are no longer being slaughtered for food and are left to themselves to multiply freely.

The number of gas producing ruminators will increase by the population of human beings, which is ever increasing.

All that vedgetable matter fermenting in guts will increase the amount of green house gasses in the environment by a factor of a billion.

Someone will strike a match somewhere thus igniting the vast quantities of methane in the atmosphere. The resulting firestorm will destroy all animal and plant life on the planet.

The planet wide smoke cloud will cover the earth and lower temperatures thus bringing an end to global warming.

Roaches will rejoice everywhere.
 
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Arg9 said:
Just wait until science develops enough to detect that plants do indeed feel pain. Breatharians will be the new thing...and the death of the human race.
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Be a pretty neat solution to overpopulation, though.
 
Arg9 said:
Just wait until science develops enough to detect that plants do indeed feel pain. Breatharians will be the new thing...and the death of the human race.
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Many plants use fruits and their consumption as part of a reproduction strategy. When they got humans in on their game, they got their reproduction to skyrocket.

Take the tomato. Tomatoes were once found only in South America. Now they can be found everywhere. Admittedly, not all fruits that are eaten find their seeds producing new plants, but enough do to make the practice well worth while, the case all over the plant kingdom. Enough seeds are extracted out of tomato fruits for reproduction purposes for the tomatoes to keep producing tasty fruits.

Most life forms find birth a painful process.
 
Nosi said:
Many plants use fruits and their consumption as part of a reproduction strategy. When they got humans in on their game, they got their reproduction to skyrocket.

Take the tomato. Tomatoes were once found only in South America. Now they can be found everywhere. Admittedly, not all fruits that are eaten find their seeds producing new plants, but enough do to make the practice well worth while, the case all over the plant kingdom. Enough seeds are extracted out of tomato fruits for reproduction purposes for the tomatoes to keep producing tasty fruits.

Most life forms find birth a painful process.
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Did you watch that PBS show last night too? I liked the pot part.
 
Living in the UK I'm curious as to exactly what food they intend to grow on the high pastures of England, Scotland and Wales?

Not being a veggie, I don't know how tasty pine trees are and for above the tree-line salads of lichen, heather, grass, moss and alpines don't sound too yummy.

Sheep, however, are delicious.


Other countries have higher pasture than the UK for sheep, goats (reindeer? Arctic tundra?). What existing crops go there?

I understood that if you take away the sheep farming it will return to what it was before, mostly relatively barren forest and extremely low nutritional value, slow growing, high-altitude plants.

have I understood incorrectly?
 
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We have a lot of land like that here too. The food grown there is fit for animal consumption, but not enough nutrients for us humanfolk. This land is routinely ignored by veggies and veggie apoplogists, as it adds complexity to the claims about how much waste raising animals for food creates.

An interesting article to pick through: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/vegetarian.html#link1

The whole site is pretty good.
 
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I'd think we'd need to eliminate much of the domesticated competition for the increased amount of vegetable matter we'd need to grow. We certainly couldn't let the existing cattle, pigs, and sheep reproduce.
 
Quick! Everyone deny the empirical evidence because it disagrees with our pre-conceived ideas!

Diet is the biggest sceptical blindspot on this entire site. Listen to yourselves!
 
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