Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Don'tcha just love a pointless anecdote? No? Didn't think so.

It was well-before 9/11. A friend, not a relation by any means, who lived in Olympia, WA suddenly was offered a grad student job in Colombia, but she needed a passport chop-chop. She was born in Dupage County, IL and she asked me, who you will note was unrelated, to pick up a copy at the Dupage County offices, near where I live. She CALLED them; I verified who I was, and I dropped a copy in a FedEx box a few minutes later.

"Things are different today," I hear every mother (or father) say.
 
There has been a shift in the birther strategy lately. (well actually not so much a shift as they are going to their fall back position).

Accordingly, to the birthers, it doesn’t matter that Obama was born in Hawaii since his father was not a citizen, therefore Obama is not a “natural born” citizen.

Not surprisingly this theory is not getting much traction either.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
There has been a shift in the birther strategy lately. (well actually not so much a shift as they are going to their fall back position).

Accordingly, to the birthers, it doesn’t matter that Obama was born in Hawaii since his father was not a citizen, therefore Obama is not a “natural born” citizen.

Not surprisingly this theory is not getting much traction either.
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Actually that one's been around for awhile; IIRC the claim is that because Kenya was a British Commonwealth back then, that Obama was born a British subject due to some law that the Brits passed sometime back in the 1800s. It's completely crackers, of course. I suppose Obama could have taken British citizenship if he'd wanted to, but it has no effect on whether he's a natural-born American.
 
Yeah, it has been around, but they have been trotting it out more lately.

Orly's hedging her bets.

Even if, by some wild chance Carter allows her suit to go through, she knows she will lose on the Hawaiian birth issue.
 
Orly's chasing Unicorns.

From her blog page:

I am trying to ascertain what happened to this individual, who was born in 1890 in CT, received his ss number in CT between 1977-1979 (probably he needed it for some ss benefits or medicaid benefits in his older age) , and whose ss Obama used most of his life.

We already know that another ss Obama used 485-40-5154 was issued in IA to Lucille Ballantyne, born 12.22.1912, deceased 09.13.1998. Last residence was at 50140 Lamoni, Decatar, IA. Does anyone know where did she die, how?

I am deeply concerned, what happened to the person whose ss Obama used in MA, Chicago and currently using in DC? This person (could have been a man or woman) was born in 1890 and would’ve been 119 years old today. Since we don’t know of any 119 y.olds in this country, it is safe to assume this person is deceased. I am greatly alarmed, why isn’t he noted as deceased in the National databases. Why is Obama using his ss with such unbelievable arrogance? Does he know how this person died? Is he sure for some reason that no one will be reporting his death today or tomorrow?

I need more info on other deaths:

1. death of Renee Abima Obama – 3 months old, birth and death were reported in Springfield MD. Was there a doctor in ATTENDENCE, who reported her death? Coroner?

2. Was there any doctor, who recorded death of Madelyn Payne Dunham? Is there a coroner’s report?

3.Was there a doctor present when Stanley Ann Dunham died? Is there a death certificate signed by a doctor in attendance? coroner’s report?
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Talk about OCD.
 
Brainster said:
Actually that one's been around for awhile; IIRC the claim is that because Kenya was a British Commonwealth back then, that Obama was born a British subject due to some law that the Brits passed sometime back in the 1800s. It's completely crackers, of course. I suppose Obama could have taken British citizenship if he'd wanted to, but it has no effect on whether he's a natural-born American.
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IIRC he could have applied for Kenyan citizenship anytime before his 24th birthday, but is no longer elidgible.
 
She still hasn't figured out that no one actually alleged Obama was using those other SS #'s? Talk about dense.
 
Isn't the California bar exam one of the two hardest in the country? How did she even pass?
 
The Illinois Senate Race in 2004

Alferd_Packer said:
Yeah, it has been around, but they have been trotting it out more lately.

Orly's hedging her bets.

Even if, by some wild chance Carter allows her suit to go through, she knows she will lose on the Hawaiian birth issue.
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The Illinois Senate Race in 2004

Obama running for Senate in 2004 says that he was born in Kenya.

According to AP and Obama who never denied it.

Was AP controlled by Fox news in 2004?

http://patdollard.com/2009/10/ap-kenyan-born-obama-ready-for-us-senate/
 
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Oh my, look who decided to pop his head back into a thread and ignore this very scathing post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5178468&postcount=39


When are you going to answer my questions boy? Hmm. im waiting


As per the article you linked to, Wow, in all of my years, an author of an article in a newspaper has never ever made a mistake. Never mind that there is a "Corrections" Column in nearly every newspaper in print.

Just because Obama didn't deny it, doesn't mean that he was born in Kenya. Just means that he never saw the article, didn't care what the article stated or didn't think it was necessary to even correct it, since it was for a senate race. And are you 100% sure that the author of the article verified his information or that he was up against a deadline and just thought he was born in Kenya because of his Kenyan father?

Just saw the image on that Page.. you sure have a problem with READING don't you? The Sunday Standard is a KENYAN newspaper.



Speaking of African newspapers, why is it that the site picks the ONLY one to mention "born in kenya" when all the otehrs during that time stated american born, not a kenyan and not african?

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/10/barack-obama-son-of-africa/

Africa News
January 19, 2004 Monday
Kenya; Kenyan in US Senate Race
BYLINE: The East African Standard

An American of Kenyan descent is topping the opinion polls in the race for Senator in the state of Illinois.
… Obama, whose father came from Ndori, Siaya District, is giving the current Senator, Mr Peter G Fitzgerald, quite a run for his money.
… Obama was born on August 4, 1961, in Hawaii, where his father, Barack Obama, had gone to study in 1959.
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The Nation (Kenya) – AAGM
November 7, 2004
BARACK OBAMA INSPIRATION
BYLINE: John Oywa

The tiny remote village of Nyangoma-Kogelo in Siaya District is full of excitement over an event that has happened thousands of kilometres way.

It is news of Senator-elect Barack Obama in the State of Illinois, United States. They have keenly followed Obama ’s election campaigns and eventual landslide victory, relishing every moment of it. To them, this is village’s triumph because the American politician’s roots and deeply embedded here.

He has not announced whether he will be visiting the village where his father, Barack Obama Senior was born and brought up. However, villagers are talking about the possibility of building a helicopter landing pad for the new senator to use when “he comes back home”.

… “He is not a Kenyan, yes, but his father came from here. As a Senator, he can influence donors to fund projects in his grandmother’s village,” says Tobias Opiyo, a carpenter.

In fact, some villagers now refer to their village as Illinois. “We belong to Illinois, Kenyan chapter. If Obama will be giving funding to his State, we request that he sends a smaller percentage”, says Mr Opiyo.

… That Obama’s victory has elevated his father’s birth place to international status is obvious. Hitherto unknown and only associated with poverty, bad roads and shanty-like schools, Nyang’oma-Kogelo is today a household name.
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emphasis added. visit the link above
 
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Alareth said:
When I joined the Navy it was discovered that I don't have a birth certificate.

The one copy we had was destroyed in a fire and somehow the original cannot be located.

I'm a non-entity.
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Perfect for secret government work. ;)

godless dave said:
Isn't the California bar exam one of the two hardest in the country? How did she even pass?
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It may be that her... breakdown... began after passing the exam, or hadn't reached a point where her competence was severely impaired.
 
boyntonstu said:
The Illinois Senate Race in 2004

Obama running for Senate in 2004 says that he was born in Kenya.

According to AP and Obama who never denied it.

Was AP controlled by Fox news in 2004?

http://patdollard.com/2009/10/ap-kenyan-born-obama-ready-for-us-senate/
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When I run across something that makes the conspiracy theories have the tiniest hint of credibility, my ears go up and I can't resist the challenge. The AP is generally pretty good after all. Could they have made such a mistake?

So, I type in the phrase "Kenyan born US Senate Hopeful" into google, and I see oodles and oodles and oodles of birther web pages referring to that article.

Ah, that makes it easy. Now, with that much interest in the article, I know I can refine my search.

"Kenyan born US Senate hopeful"+snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ap.asp

It's so easy. Why can't everyone do it?
 
Alferd_Packer said:
There has been a shift in the birther strategy lately. (well actually not so much a shift as they are going to their fall back position).

Accordingly, to the birthers, it doesn’t matter that Obama was born in Hawaii since his father was not a citizen, therefore Obama is not a “natural born” citizen.

Not surprisingly this theory is not getting much traction either.
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I call it the de Vattel strategy which we owe to that great Constitutional scholar known as Orly. It argues that the founding fathers read the Law of Nations and used that as the basis of Constitutional law. The Law of Nations proclaimed that only a child born of two citizen parents could be natural born citizens of a country.

Of course this ignores British Common Law, which held being born in the country made one a natural born citizen. Given that American common law is based on British common law it is safe to say that the same is true in the United States.

What is telling is that Orly takes this whole thing about de Vattel from the Dreed Scott case, which says alot about her ability to tell bad case law from good case law.
 
fullflavormenthol said:
I call it the de Vattel strategy which we owe to that great Constitutional scholar known as Orly. It argues that the founding fathers read the Law of Nations and used that as the basis of Constitutional law. The Law of Nations proclaimed that only a child born of two citizen parents could be natural born citizens of a country.

Of course this ignores British Common Law, which held being born in the country made one a natural born citizen. Given that American common law is based on British common law it is safe to say that the same is true in the United States.

What is telling is that Orly takes this whole thing about de Vattel from the Dreed Scott case, which says alot about her ability to tell bad case law from good case law.
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From the losing side, right?
 
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