Moderated Views on George Galloway.

Oi !!! Gain independence and destroy a valuable method of food production in the most densely populated area in the world. Rather than questioning the Palestinians overall intelligence, I'd prefer to ask instead, was this a particular political faction that carried out this act or was it "the Palestinian citizenry" doing this strictly out of spite.

Seems to me that these guys constantly make the wrong decisions, like aligning themselves with Iraq during the first Gulf War which led to their eventual expulsion from Kuwait and severely damaged the economy of Palestine. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

Gaza sure didn't look like a "place to be" under Egyptian rule, which moots my thoughts wondering why Gaza wouldn't want to be "absorbed" by Egypt to escape the influences of the Israelis.



So it would appear and it's my hope that Galloway, well more specifically his supporters will eventually take a more holistic view of this situation and attribute "some of the blame" to the Palestinian leadership ( and the greater Arab world ) for this ongoing humanitarian disaster rather than attribute it all to Israel. That is, if they're actually interested in seeing this situation solved rather than displaying their high moral dudgeon.

Galloway is a hack opportunist with no insight into the history of the Palestiniain-Israeli conlict, exploiting it for his own visibility.

Ponder these questions: Had the Arab countries who had attacked Israel in 1948 defeated Israel, would they have given the land to the Palestinians for a homeland? Of course not.

Had the Arabs defeated Israel in the '67 War, would they have given the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians as a homeland? Of course not.

One need only look back into history for proof: During the 1948 War, Egypt illegally seized Gaza and Jordan illegally seized Judea and Samaria, the Biblical name for land that King Hussein, sacrilegiously, changed to "the West Bank. Both countries would illegally occupy the Palestinians for 20 years, denying them statehood.

Earlier, when Palestine was controlled by the [Muslim]Ottoman Turks for hundreds of years, the Muslim Ottomans did not grant statehood to the mostly Muslim Palestinian population.

The reality is...Jews--not Arabs--are the only people who have shown a willingness to cede land to Palestinians and the only ones who have been truly amenable to a Palestinian state.
 
So whats actually factually wrong with galloways Senate Testimony?

George Galloway VS the US Senate Part 1


George Galloway VS the US Senate Part 2


I respect Galloway in many things, but am never quite sure why he is picked on in the puclic as much as he is by the media and political parties (often wishing they had not picked on him in public later) Won four court cases against newspapers, and the Senate case was dropped as it was all fabricated.

Loads of people I know said that he lied about everything in the speech. Did he?

Why do people keep trying to smear his name (and fail every time)? Why is he so important to silence in peoples opinions?

And most importantly, whats factually wrong with his testimony to the senate while under oath? I think his speech will clear up many misconceptions about Galloway.


For the senates (pathetic) responsce, the full 40 minute clip can be seen via cspan on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCL-IL5yvr8

All above videos highly recommended.
 
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You cannot substantiate genocide of Palestinians by Israel because no genocide has occurred. Such an allegation is a flat-out lie.

In 1948, when Israeli statehood was declared, the Arab population in the Middle East was around 70 million.

Today, the Arab population is approx. 350 million, with projections of 400 million within the coming years.

The Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank in 1948 was 600,000, or so. Today, there are 5 million Palestinians in the area.

A couple hundred thousand Palestinians lived in Israel in 1948. Today? 1.5 million Palestinians.

As I said, no genocide is occurring.

Make your mind up. As far as I know you are correct in that no genocide of the Palestinians is occurring. No one has said it is so why you are making that point is odd.

The Gazan Genocide did occur though.

And just like I am not a Holocaust Denier I am also not a Gazan Genocide Denier.

To me a life is a life no matter what it's race therefore I place Gazan Genocide deniers in the same category of Holocaust Deniers.

The rest of your post is completely redundant as it has nothing to do with the Gazan Genocide.
 
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Galloway is a hack opportunist with no insight into the history of the Palestiniain-Israeli conlict, exploiting it for his own visibility.

Actually Galloway is someone who has stood up to the pro-Zionist Western Establishment (Including showing them to be complete and utter idiots ) to the point of sacrificing a level of his career. He should be applauded for spaeking the truth in an ocean of lies


The reality is...Jews--not Arabs--are the only people who have shown a willingness to cede land to Palestinians and the only ones who have been truly amenable to a Palestinian state.

Zionists on the other hand have shown utter contempt for the Palestinians. They have stolen their land, bulldozed their towns and villages, occupied and colonized on the ever decreasing land the Palestinians have left, Committed genocide against them, Held a regime of Apartheid over them and generally treated them like Untermenchen

The Zionist Movement is an embarrassment to the Jewish people IMO
 
Make your mind up. As far as I know you are correct in that no genocide of the Palestinians is occurring. No one has said it is so why you are making that point is odd.

The Gazan Genocide did occur though.

You are even more oblivious to the facts than I had thought.

Gaza is inhabited by Palestinians. Yeah, that's right.

You concede no genocide of the Palestinians is occurring, however, you contradict yourself in suggesting genocide did occur in Gaza.

Your posts would be comical were they not so tragically ignorant. Maybe they are tragicomedy.

Permit me to enlighten you further.

A few hundred deaths, out of a total Palestinian population of 1.5 million, as a consequence of a war initiated by Palestiniains, does not constitute genocide, particularly given the Israeli military took pains to warn the population of military intervention.

To provide much-needed context, 4 million dead Christians deliberately slaughtered by Muslims in Sudan is genocide.

And just like I am not a Holocaust Denier I am also not a Gazan Genocide Denier.

Because you are unfamiliar with genocide and key facts related to the Gaza war, such as Gaza populated by Palestinians.

Please make an attempt to become acquainted with the subject matter. Correcting you, repeatedly, is tedious and it must be embarrassing.
 
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Actually Galloway is someone who has stood up to the pro-Zionist Western Establishment (Including showing them to be complete and utter idiots ) to the point of sacrificing a level of his career. He should be applauded for spaeking the truth in an ocean of lies




Zionists on the other hand have shown utter contempt for the Palestinians. They have stolen their land, bulldozed their towns and villages, occupied and colonized on the ever decreasing land the Palestinians have left, Committed genocide against them, Held a regime of Apartheid over them and generally treated them like Untermenchen

The Zionist Movement is an embarrassment to the Jewish people IMO

The pathological derisive use of the term "Zionist" smacks of anti-Semitism.

Zionism is merely Jewish self-determination, which the UN seeks for every people.

The disparagement of Jewish self-determination is as anti-Semitic as denying Black people self-determination would be racist.
 
Zionists on the other hand have shown utter contempt for the Palestinians. They have stolen their land, bulldozed their towns and villages, occupied and colonized on the ever decreasing land the Palestinians have left, Committed genocide against them, Held a regime of Apartheid over them and generally treated them like Untermenchen

The Zionist Movement is an embarrassment to the Jewish people IMO
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And people wonder why there are some extremists in Gaza :rolleyes: Some may even call it defence.
 
The Zionist Movement is an embarrassment to the Jewish people IMO


To an extent yes, but theres hardly any support for zionism now, even the majority of jews themselves dont support them,

Its too easy to make a comparison between Hamas and Zionism. So I wont.
 
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Ahh, yes. His sources of money. At the same time as nearly HALF the british MPs are being told to pay back taxpayers money they illegally stole from us, Galloway has been found to not have taken a dime.

Ah yes, deflection tactics. Galloway was found to be dishonest about where he got his money for his "charity" and took it from the UAE, saudi and also Iraqi businessmen from the Oil for food program. He was for sanctions against Iraq then he was sucking up to Saddam a few years later.

And that article is extremely biased, but this is a good point:
Biased yet it is from people who should be supporting him, these are his people. They are criticizing him and you say it is biased. You just cannot lose with that can you?

I like how you manage to cherry pick something out of that we already know. Yet do not mention this.

Neither politically nor morally can we line up with George Galloway. Even if he is entirely innocent of the Telegraph's charges, political association with him is an enormous liability for socialists who would not under any circumstances take money from the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia.

How tragically dishonest you are.
 
To an extent yes, but theres hardly any support for zionism now, even the majority of jews themselves dont support them,

Its too easy to make a comparison between Hamas and Zionism. So I wont.

Complete and utter ignorance and anti-Semitic, to boot.

Jews have an inherent right to independence, which is what Zionism is. To deny Jews independence defines Jew hatred.

Congressman John Lewis, a civil rights pioneer, wrote the following letter in support of Israel and the Zionist spirit (San Francisco Chronicle, 1/21/02)...

“I have a dream” for peace in the Middle East
King's Special Bond with Israel
by John Lewis

THE REV. MARTIN Luther King Jr. understood the meaning of discrimination and oppression. He sought ways to achieve liberation and peace, and he thus understood that a special relationship exists between African Americans and American Jews.

This message was true in his time and is true today.

He knew that both peoples were uprooted involuntarily from their homelands. He knew that both peoples were shaped by the tragic experience of slavery. He knew that both peoples were forced to live in ghettoes, victims of segregation.He knew that both peoples were subject to laws passed with the particular intent of oppressing them simply because they were Jewish or black. He knew that both peoples have been subjected to oppression and genocide on a level unprecedented in history.

King understood how important it is not to stand by in the face of injustice. He understood the cry, “Let my people go.”

Long before the plight of the Jews in the Soviet Union was on the front pages, he raised his voice. “I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned.”

During his lifetime King witnessed the birth of Israel and the continuing struggle to build a nation. He consistently reiterated his stand on the Israel — Arab conflict, stating “Israel's right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable.” It was no accident that King emphasized “security” in his statements on the Middle East,

On March 25, 1968, less than two weeks before his tragic death, he spoke out with clarity and directness stating, “peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”

During the recent U.N. Conference on Racism held in Durban, South Africa, we were all shocked by the attacks on Jews, Israel and Zionism. The United States of America stood up against these vicious attacks.

Once again, the words of King ran through my memory, “I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews — because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.”

During an appearance at Harvard University shortly before his death, a student stood up and asked King to address himself to the issue of Zionism. The question was clearly hostile. King responded, “When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”

King taught us many lessons. As turbulence continues to grip the Middle East, his words should continue to serve as our guide. I am convinced that were he alive today he would speak clearly calling for an end to the violence between Israelis and Arabs.

He would call upon his fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner, Yasser Arafat, to fulfill the dream of peace and do all that is within his power to stop the violence.

He would urge continuing negotiations to reduce tensions and bring about the first steps toward genuine peace.

King had a dream of an “oasis of brotherhood and democracy” in the Middle East.

As we celebrate his life and legacy, let us work for the day when Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Muslims, will be able to sit in peace “under his vine and fig tree and none shall make him afraid.
 
Complete and utter ignorance and anti-Semitic, to boot.

Jews have an inherent right to independence, which is what Zionism is. To deny Jews independence defines Jew hatred.

No, being anti-Zionist was and is a legitimate political stance. One can be against the existence of a seperate and discriminatory nation-state for members of the Jewish faith (and their non-Jewish children and grandchildren) and yet hold no bigoted feelings towards Jews.

Almost ALL Orthodox Jews were anti-Zionist before Israel was founded and many are still today, for clear religious reasonings, NOT because they hate Jews.

To argue that it is anti-Jewish to be anti-Zionist is just plain ignorant.

And no, the 18 million or so Jews, who after 2,000 years have become varied very greatly in ethnicity, geography, color, and religious practise, DO NOT have an inherent right to an independent, discirminatory nation-state.
 
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The pathological derisive use of the term "Zionist" smacks of anti-Semitism.

Zionism is merely Jewish self-determination, which the UN seeks for every people.

The disparagement of Jewish self-determination is as anti-Semitic as denying Black people self-determination would be racist.

Zionism is NOT self-determination. To argue such means that the Jews who returned to Israel after the Babylonian exile were in fact, Zionist.

Zionism is a MODERN day political belief. Not an ancient one. Stop playing with history.
 
Zionism is NOT self-determination. To argue such means that the Jews who returned to Israel after the Babylonian exile were in fact, Zionist.

Its not? The Jews creating a land for their own and deciding how to run it isn't self-determination?
 
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Dreadful. When will the media learn to cover the people in greatest need? And no, its nothing to do with "the left" or "right" if they do not know it happened.

Palestinians receive billions in aid. Their own wretched leader, Arafat, croaked a billionaire. His wife lives in luxury in Paris.

The truth of the matter is Palestinians have turned being refugees into a career, as the only intergenerational refugee group in history, now in their fourth generation of, ahem, "refugee status".

Palestinians are their own worst enemies, having rejected statehood time and again and dedicating their lives to terrorism and rejectionism toward Israel. There's no career potential in this.

Excusing their poor choices in life doesn't cut it any longer. Jews chose statehood, instead, transforming desert into one of the most advanced societies on the planet. Today, more Israeli technology companies are listed on NASDAQ, except for the US, representing over $12 billion in revenue collectively. Warren Buffett recently purchased a successful Israeli manufacturing firm.

Unless you're suggesting Jews are inherently superior to Palestinians, the difference between Israelis and Palestinians is Jews have made the correct decisions and the Palestinians have made catastrophic decisions.

Galloway and the other mental defectives bashing Israel are lost.
 
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