9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Trojan]

You know the answer to that yourself but thanks anyway for the opportunity to summarize the Krege issue once again (see page 43/44):

This site summarizes what Krege did: http://www.nafcash.com/

Can you demonstrate that Krege supports or in any way has endorsed this summation of his findings"

If not, then the site is meaningless.

This site describes the technology behind it: http://www.geomodel.com/

What part of this site tells us Krege was qualified to do his investigation and the GPR technology that Krege used.

This is the video that shows Krege in Action in Treblinka: http://www.codoh.com/video/treblinka.mpg

What date was Krege at Treblinka? Specific date please.

Krege defended his thesis as late as December 2006 during the holocaust conference in Teheran.

Great, he defended a thesis -- please produce the thesis.

 

[Trojan]

Here is a sample GPR report

This is what science expects

Please provide similar details with regard to Krege

 

[9/11-investigator]

Can you demonstrate that Krege supports or in any way has endorsed this summation of his findings"

If not, then the site is meaningless.

What part of this site tells us Krege was qualified to do his investigation and the GPR technology that Krege used.

What date was Krege at Treblinka? Specific date please.

Great, he defended a thesis -- please produce the thesis.

I am not Krege's biographer or spokesman. Why don't you ask him your questions yourself in a simple email to:

[email protected]

Keep us informed about your inquiry!

In the mean time, cut the crap and answer this question: you accuse that the Germans killed millions in so-called gas chambers. Please provide us with the name and proof that at least one person was gassed.

To the neutral lurker: Trojan is unable to back up his accusations with proof so he will probably try to derail the discussion in hair splitting about 'dates of the Treblinka investigation'. Won't work.

 

[Trojan]

I am not Krege's biographer or spokesman. Why don't you ask him your questions yourself in a simple email to:

[email protected]

Keep us informed about your inquiry!

This is your burden to prove - he's your expert and its up to demonstrate what evidence he has.

In the mean time, cut the crap and answer this question: you accuse that the Germans killed millions in so-called gas chambers. Please provide us with the name and proof that at least one person was gassed.

To the neutral lurker: Trojan is unable to back up his accusations with proof so he will probably try to derail the discussion in hair splitting about 'dates of the Treblinka investigation'. Won't work.

How about this, you provide, with proof, the name of one person who died at Dresden as a consequence of the allied bombing. An autopsy report or other tangible documentation of cause of death will be expected.

This way I can see what you believe proof entails.

 

[9/11-investigator]

This is your burden to prove - he's your expert and its up to demonstrate what evidence he has.

In post #1920 I have given you everything I have regarding Krege. If you want more, ask Krege him self. Receiving a rsponse on an email could take some time though since Toeben is in jail until November.

How about this, you provide, with proof, the name of one person who died at Dresden as a consequence of the allied bombing. An autopsy report or other tangible documentation of cause of death will be expected.

This way I can see what you believe proof entails.

That's easy. Here is a photo from Dresden after the bombing: http://wiki.majorityrights.com/_media/holocaust/dresden2.jpg

You want to maintain that these people died all over sudden from typhys? They tickled each other to death? They laughed themselves to death after seeing a Borat movie? Of course not. They died because they were bombed to death. Even a child can understand that after getting a treatment like this that many people will die:

http://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/deutschland/dresden/dresden.jpg

Now I am asking you to provide similar evidence (pictures, authopsies, whatever) that people in the concentration camps died, not from hunger, shooting, typhys or other forms of illness but from gassings.

You cannot.

Millions of people allegedly died from these gassings and no guilt ridden person ever took a picture of a gas chamber full with dead bodies to show these horrors to the rest of the world? There never was a German equivalent of the courageous Israeli Vainunu? Baloney.

Here is a telling number of pictures from the guards of Auschwitz. These pictures were recently released. Look at the faces:

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-25000-2.html

These are normal people on a day of from work. And you want to maintain that the next day these relaxed looking people will return to their jobs and morph into monsters killing thousands of people a day?

 

[Trojan]

In post #1920 I have given you everything I have regarding Krege. If you want more, ask Krege him self. Receiving a rsponse on an email could take some time though since Toeben is in jail until November.

Its your contention he is an expert and he has proven something - its not my burden to support your unfounded beliefs. I've asked for evidence and you have provided none.

That's easy. Here is a photo from Dresden after the bombing: http://wiki.majorityrights.com/_media/holocaust/dresden2.jpg

You want to maintain that these people died all over sudden from typhys? They tickled each other to death? They laughed themselves to death after seeing a Borat movie? Of course not. They died because they were bombed to death. Even a child can understand that after getting a treatment like this that many people will die:

http://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/deutschland/dresden/dresden.jpg

Now I am asking you to provide similar evidence (pictures, authopsies, whatever) that people in the concentration camps died, not from hunger, shooting, typhys or other forms of illness but from gassings.

You cannot.

Millions of people allegedly died from these gassings and no guilt ridden person ever took a picture of a gas chamber full with dead bodies to show these horrors to the rest of the world? There never was a German equivalent of the courageous Israeli Vainunu? Baloney.

Here is a telling number of pictures from the guards of Auschwitz. These pictures were recently released. Look at the faces:

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-25000-2.html

These are normal people on a day of from work. And you want to maintain that the next day these relaxed looking people will return to their jobs and morph into monsters killing thousands of people a day?

Just to get this strait - photos and whatever caption accompanies them is proof of death and means of death?

 

[Trojan]

So here is what our intrepid investigator had defined as proof

http://www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/a20j.jpg

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/Birkenau03.html

Accusation and photo = proof.


Besure to pass this to other deniers and such, they will be so happy you have defined 'proof' - good job!

 

[9/11-investigator]

Just to get this strait - photos and whatever caption accompanies them is proof of death and means of death?

I had never the expectation that at some point you would sink on your knees and beg for forgiveness regarding your faulty judgments on the topic we are discussing here.

Nevertheless I am quit convinced that your answer will not make much impression on a neutral lurker.

 

[Trojan]

I had never the expectation that at some point you would sink on your knees and beg for forgiveness regarding your faulty judgments on the topic we are discussing here.

Nevertheless I am quit convinced that your answer will not make much impression on a neutral lurker.

When asked for evidence of an event that took place in the open, known and reported by the press on all sides, acknowledged freely by the perpetrators at the time the event took place, the only evidence you could offer to how deaths occurred are photos and conclusions drawn from the photos.

The only evidence of cause of death is a supposition based on photos.

When I provide the same evidence of a secret operation, an operation conducted behind a wall of secrecy and unacknowledged by the perpetrators - why is the standard of evidence NOT the same? Do you expect the murderer to document his kills, take names, and provide autopsy reports to confirm death? Is this how you think genocide is shown?

Yes - I think all lurkers see you for what you are.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So here is what our intrepid investigator had defined as proof

http://www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/a20j.jpg

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/Birkenau03.html

Accusation and photo = proof.

Besure to pass this to other deniers and such, they will be so happy you have defined 'proof' - good job!

Trojan, without any comments, has presented the only photo of alleged burning of a few dozen of corpses of all 6 so-called death-camps during the entire war, namely in Auschwitz/Krema 5.

See a discussion of this photo here:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcffor.html

Scroll down to illustration 13 and 14 and it becomes clear that the photos are fake.

But even if the photos were not faked, nothing in the revisionist view of tenths of thousands of people who perished in the camps contradicts this photograph. It is possible that during a typhus epidemic the Germans were forced to perform open air cremation because the regular crematorium was overburdened.

A photograph of a gas chamber filled with corpses in death agony would be a different thing. These photos don't exist.

Millions of deaths and not a single reliable photo.

Nice try swindler.

 

[lionking]

I am not Krege's biographer or spokesman. Why don't you ask him your questions yourself in a simple email to:

[email protected]

Keep us informed about your inquiry!

In the mean time, cut the crap and answer this question: you accuse that the Germans killed millions in so-called gas chambers. Please provide us with the name and proof that at least one person was gassed.

To the neutral lurker: Trojan is unable to back up his accusations with proof so he will probably try to derail the discussion in hair splitting about 'dates of the Treblinka investigation'. Won't work.

You are citing the Adelaide Institute as a source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide_Institute

The Adelaide Institute website triggered the arrest of Fredrick Töben in Germany in April 1999.[3] Töben was sentenced to 10 months in prison, but had already served seven months during trial, and was released upon payment of a $5000 bond.
The Institute's website drew the attention of the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission (HREOC) in 2000. HREOC found that the Adelaide Institute had breached section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act by publishing material on the website, the consequences of which were "vilificatory, bullying, insulting and offensive" to the Jewish population; HREOC ordered Töben to close the site and apologise to the people he had offended. Because rulings of the HREOC are not enforceable at law, the case was also brought before the Federal Court of Australia, which ordered in 2002 that certain material be removed from the Adelaide Institute web site.
The Order of the Federal Court of Australia was that the Adelaide Institute should remove from its website any material which conveys one or any of the following imputations:
there is serious doubt that the Holocaust occurred
it is unlikely that there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz
Jewish people who are offended by and challenge Holocaust denial are of limited intelligence
some Jewish people, for improper purposes, including financial gain, have exaggerated the number of Jews killed during World War II and the circumstances in which they were killed

 

[Trojan]

Trojan, without any comments, has presented the only photo of alleged burning of a few dozen of corpses of all 6 so-called death-camps during the entire war, namely in Auschwitz/Krema 5.

See a discussion of this photo here:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcffor.html

Scroll down to illustration 13 and 14 and it becomes clear that the photos are fake.

But even if the photos were not faked, nothing in the revisionist view of tenths of thousands of people who perished in the camps contradicts this photograph.

A photograph of a gas chamber filled with corpses in death agony would be a different thing. These photos don't exist.

Millions of deaths and not a single reliable photo.

Nice try swindler.

I asked you to establish the standard of proof - you did so. Photos

Do you need more photos from other sites?

Try this link to RODOH, you will find a thread of photos of Nazi atrocities, proof of murder according to your standard

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/5963

 

[George 152]

See http://www.nizkor.org/

 

[Trojan]

See http://www.nizkor.org/

I think we have seen that no evidence is good enough when seen through the eyes of a denier. They have a religious based belief in which nothing can tarnish the image of their fuhrer.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You are citing the Adelaide Institute as a source?

An email address is not a source.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I think we have seen that no evidence is good enough when seen through the eyes of a denier. They have a religious based belief in which nothing can tarnish the image of their fuhrer.

You call obviously faked photographs evidence?

 

[Trojan]

You call obviously faked photographs evidence?

A revisionist discussion in which the validity of a photo is disputed is no more evidence than Killtown talking about no planes on 9/11.

I could just as easily deny the photos you provided prove what you claim they prove ( if my mind was as twisted as yours).

However, I am not like you and have no wish to defame the dead, to call their deaths into question or to ridicule the value of their lives or their suffering.

 

[9/11-investigator]

See http://www.nizkor.org/

Everybody here is citing nizkor.

Nizkor who?

You would expect that the largest website supporting the sacred memory of the holocaust would be carried by a large organization run by distinguished gentlemen. Nothing could be further from the truth. It´s a one man amateur operation, run by this chap: http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/
from some shabby back room.

Here is Ernst Zundel describing his efforts in trying to get in contact with this McVay character. Mind you: it is always the revisionists who try to contact the holocaustians and its the holocaustians who subsequently chicken out, a clear indication of who holds the truth.

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1996/zg9611/961115.html

 

[9/11-investigator]

I asked you to establish the standard of proof - you did so. Photos

Do you need more photos from other sites?

Try this link to RODOH, you will find a thread of photos of Nazi atrocities, proof of murder according to your standard

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/5963

We are not interested in photos of Nazi atrocities. We know that those happened, just like the Allies committed atrocities.

We want gas chambers. That's what this thread basically is about. The alleged industrial killing of millions of people.

 

[9/11-investigator]

A revisionist discussion in which the validity of a photo is disputed is no more evidence than Killtown talking about no planes on 9/11.

I could just as easily deny the photos you provided prove what you claim they prove ( if my mind was as twisted as yours).

Proving something is always an effort undertaken by humans and hence prone to error. But it is all we have, this effort. To make it easy on ourselves we assume that if the guilty party acknowledges a crime that it is therefore proven. Nobody disputes these pictures from Dresden and hence to human standards it is 'proven'.

On the other hand no such pictures exist of the 'gas chambers'. The holocaustians do not even suggest that these pictures exist. There is no dispute about it.

Conclusions:
- Dresden is proven
- the gas chambers are not