Who Armed Saddam?

[Cainkane1]

http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/blog/link/like-franco-saddam-is-dead/

Note the Graph.

Then explain the abundance of:

T-insert-number-here russian tanks

Mirage French fighter Jets

Mig-insert-number-here Russian fighter jets

J-7 Chinese Fighters

Type-insert-number-here Chinese Tanks

Gazelle French Helicopters

Mi-Inset number here Russian Helicopters

Russian Artillery pieces

AK-47s (Russian and Chinese)

PRKS (Russian and Chinese)

RPG-7s (Russian and Chinese)

BTR-insert-number here Russian APCs

Heck, Brazil Gave more hardware to Saddam than the US.

South Africa also sold saddam long range artillary.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

I was also thinking in terms of physical conventional Hardware.

As well as the French giving Saddam a whole nuclear reactor (osirak i am correct?).

 

[ponderingturtle]

I was also thinking in terms of physical conventional Hardware.

As well as the French giving Saddam a whole nuclear reactor (osirak i am correct?).

Why is providing hardware more important that providing the funding to buy hardware?

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Why is providing hardware more important that providing the funding to buy hardware?

Well, think about it. Saddam owed most of his money to Russia as they gave him the hardware.

Money can be used for many things not necessarily hardware.

The funding doesn't necessarily mean that they will buy yours.

 

[Praktik]

Ya those torture prisons don't run on good wishes!

Ever buy acid for a foot-dissolving tub? You'd think you'd get a break at 500 litres but its really not as much as you'd think.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Ya those torture prisons don't run on good wishes!

Ever buy acid for a foot-dissolving tub? You'd think you'd get a break at 500 litres but its really not as much as you'd think.

Actually, Who gave him the money to run those prisons? The Americans? The Chinese? The Italians?

As usual in your Weltannschung dictates that America is responsible for everything bad in the universe.

 

[Praktik]

As usual in your Weltannschung dictates that America is responsible for everything bad in the universe.

I'm sorry I don't speak Nazi, but I find it curious that you are so familiar with the language of the Nazis...

hmmmmm

 

[geni]

South Africa also sold saddam long range artillary.

And North Korea sold the same to Iran.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

I'm sorry I don't speak Nazi, but I find it curious that you are so familiar with the language of the Nazis...

hmmmmm

Well, i know German.

sorry if this violates international law but i am mounting a pre-emptive Godwin's law.

 

[Praktik]

well next time check someone's posting history before you casually assert an MO that doesn't apply

 

[quadraginta]

Well, think about it. Saddam owed most of his money to Russia as they gave him the hardware.

Money can be used for many things not necessarily hardware.

The funding doesn't necessarily mean that they will buy yours.

Did you overlook my earlier post, with the quote about "Bear Spares", or forget it?

We put an entire operation in place with the express purpose of helping Iraq do exactly that. Buy Soviet made military equipment, munitions, and parts which melded with the Soviet equipment they had from earlier decades when Saddam hadn't been our buddy, but rather the meanie who was picking on our buddies the Iranians. (I know, its hard to keep up with the storyline without a program.)

Here's some more on that same subject.

With the UN-imposed embargo on warring parties, and with the Soviet Union opposing the conflict, Hussein found it increasingly difficult to repair and replace hardware damaged in battle.[26][27] According to Kenneth Timmerman, "Saddam did foresee one immediate consequence of his invasion of Iran: the suspension of arms supplies from the USSR."[4]

When he launched his attack, the Soviets were busy playing games in Iran. They were not amused that the Iraqis upset their plans. For generations the KGB had been working to penetrate Iran's Shiite clergy. In February 1979, when Ayatollah Khomeini took power and threw the Americans out of Iran, the Soviets stood to gain more than they had ever believed possible. ... KGB boss Yuri Andropov [had] little difficulty in convincing Brezhnev and Kosygin to agree to an embargo on arms to Iraq... p. 83-84
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So. Not only was it clear that Iraq was indeed buying arms from other sources with money from us, but we were intent on helping them do it in direct contravention of UN sanctions we ostensibly supported.

Do you see the irony of your post?

 

[Praktik]

Ah quadraginta - I see you're from the "blame America first" crowd.

How boring...

 

[NWO Sentryman]

I stand corrected on the dual use, but if you are citing Wikipedia, that doesn't help your credibility.

I said money, not Bear Spares.

You try to make it sound like the US was responsible for every single death in the Iran-Iraq war.

 

[quadraginta]

Ah quadraginta - I see you're from the "blame America first" crowd.

How boring...

 

[ponderingturtle]

I stand corrected on the dual use, but if you are citing Wikipedia, that doesn't help your credibility.

I said money, not Bear Spares.

You try to make it sound like the US was responsible for every single death in the Iran-Iraq war.

You are the only one saying that. It is a simple fact that Saddam was an ally of the US at the time, and a significant one. And the US was one of his top allies as well.

So sure we were willing to over look a few crimes against humanity, including ones we latter charged him with at the time.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

You are the only one saying that. It is a simple fact that Saddam was an ally of the US at the time, and a significant one. And the US was one of his top allies as well.

So sure we were willing to over look a few crimes against humanity, including ones we latter charged him with at the time.

Hey, it was like the USA's relationship with the USSR in WW2.

We were willing to overlook Molotov ribbentrop and the Katyn Forest as well as other crimes during the war.

I thought Saddam was a Chinese/Russian lapdog.

Well, Captitalistholocaust and Mr1001nights also say the us is responsible for every single death in iraq)

 

[theprestige]

Because it makes sense (we know that the U.S did at least perform one very classified mission deep in Iran territory) and is relevant to the discussion.

It only makes sense if it actually happened.

And it's only relevant to a discussion of what actually happened... if it actually happened.

 

[geni]

I thought Saddam was a Chinese/Russian lapdog.

No. His politics were nominaly left wing but well short communism. Saddam was to a large extent his own man. The amount of oil iraq has will by you a significant degree of freedom to maneuver. Just so happened that when Saddam went on his spending spree china and USSR were better capitalists than the US.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Hey, it was like the USA's relationship with the USSR in WW2.

We were willing to overlook Molotov ribbentrop and the Katyn Forest as well as other crimes during the war.

I thought Saddam was a Chinese/Russian lapdog.

Well, Captitalistholocaust and Mr1001nights also say the us is responsible for every single death in iraq)

Not in this thread they haven't. Just because someone believes it does not mean it is not a strawman argument.

 

[quadraginta]

I stand corrected on the dual use, but if you are citing Wikipedia, that doesn't help your credibility.

The wiki article is just chock full of references, citations, and documentation of its statements. Your general condescension merely because the source starts with Wikipedia is a pretty sorry excuse for a rebuttal. Many of those quotes came from the U.S. government and its representatives.

I said money, not Bear Spares.

Is your inability to discern the point being made an honest shortcoming or willful refusal. ("Nyah. Nyah. My eyes are closed!")

You try to make it sound like the US was responsible for every single death in the Iran-Iraq war.

Yawn.

I did no such thing, and you are perfectly aware of that.

You don't improve the weaknesses of your arguments by augmenting your distortion and denial of the facts with distortions and fabrications about my position.