Million to one apple is half red, half green

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There's an article in the Telegraph about an apple which is half red and half green. They say it's a very rare mutation.

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I think that nature very rarely creates straight lines or, emulates planes in oval objects. Knives, on the other hand, do that quite often. So does duct tape. I have two explanations:

1. Two apples have been cut in half when they were still growing, and then stitched together, so that they merged into one apple.
2. Half of the apple has been covered, and duct tape has been used to form the straight line.

All that assumes that the photo hasn't been photoshopped.

What do you think?
 
In fruits that are known for coming in different colors, sometimes the color is a matter of timing, not genetics; it ripens from one color to the other, and you just pick it early or late in the process. If that's the case with apples, then covering half of it could have sped up or slowed down the ripening process on one side.
 
In fruits that are known for coming in different colors, sometimes the color is a matter of timing, not genetics; it ripens from one color to the other, and you just pick it early or late in the process. If that's the case with apples, then covering half of it could have sped up or slowed down the ripening process on one side.

Yeah, I had an apple tree in my back yard growing up. The apples ripen from green to red, and faster based on exposure to sunlight.

Usually the side facing the sun would be much more red than the side facing toward the inside of the tree.

Of course never so extreme as the picture, but it makes sense that by completely coving one side you might get a more extreme effect.
 
I think that nature very rarely creates straight lines or, emulates planes in oval objects.

Sorry, it's one of my pet peeves, but there are bucket loads of straight lines in nature, both macro and microscopic. (Pine trees and mica flakes are two easy examples.) I've seen plenty of squash that are bicolored with the color split along a horizontal plane through the center of the squash (stem is the vertical axis), though not through the stem as claimed in this story.

One thing I can assume right off the bat, it is not a natural mutation.

Why not? My first thought was that it was a chimera with half golden delicious and half mutant. I would have expected 1/5 or 2/5 chimera rather than 1/2, as the apples grow with 5-fold symmetry, but who knows?

I'm not saying that I think that this is a real event, but I'm not immediately certain that there is something fishy going on. The article quotes people who say it is rare, but not unheard of, as well. Hrm, maybe I'll tape an apple on my tree next summer and see what comes of it; it's too late this year.
 
What do you think?

Jim Arbury, fruit superintendent at RHS Garden Wisley in Surrey, said it was probably the "result of a random genetic mutation".

"This is known as a chimera where one of the first two cells has developed differently giving rise to one half of the apple being different," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...lion-to-one-apple-is-half-red-half-green.html

I'm not that familiar with the Telegraph, because I'm an Am-ur-ih-kun. Is it a reliable newspaper like the "New York Times"... or is it more like the "New York Post"... or, worse, like the "Weekly World News"?

If this is supposed to be a "true" newspiece, I'm really, really worried about the state of intelligent and responsible journalism in the U.K. That, and the general intelligence and skeptical thinking of the people referenced as "experts".

~Dr. Imago
 
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I'm not saying that I think that this is a real event, but I'm not immediately certain that there is something fishy going on.

No, Jason. Someone's taking the piss, to invoke a British expression that I believe fits nicely.

You can apply your same logic to crop circles. However, this, just like that, is B.S. Someone "manufactured" this apple.

~Dr. Imago
 
No, Jason. Someone's taking the piss, to invoke a British expression that I believe fits nicely.

You can apply your same logic to crop circles. However, this, just like that, is B.S. Someone "manufactured" this apple.

~Dr. Imago

The difference is that the people who invented crop circles showed how to do it. If this guy has a confessional and says that he wrapped the thing in masking tape as it ripened, I'm not going to claim that he's lying to cover up the mutation... ;)

Again, I never said that I thought this was real, but I have yet to hear a convincing explanation as to WHY it is a fake, simply categorical claims that it is. I was under the impression that that was not how things were done on here. The best thing I saw was the mascot apples (an actual example of a similar event) but that was posted while I was writing my original post.
 
Didn't have to be tape - some sort of parafin (but I doubt that hot would be good for the apple and it doesn't look damaged, so some sort of cool wax or coating).

But I'd be willing to bet on it not being a "natural" phenomenon or "chimera". The line's too straight and an apple on a tree, even if it was half-blocked by a large branch would not develop such a straight line (the earth still rotates, right?).
 
Wow! That's amazing.

And, check out these even MORE bizarre "million to one" genetic mutations...

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/198913_apple10.html

:newlol

~Dr. Imago

Those are the best mutations, ever!!!! They're proof that God really IS a University of Washington fan! Oh, wait... Washington State. Oh, shoot, he's both! Is that a sign that armageddon's near? :scared:



:D And if that's the case, what does that indicate about the Jesus-on-a-potato-chip? I don't think Lays plays against anyone in the BCS. ;)
 
Again, I never said that I thought this was real, but I have yet to hear a convincing explanation as to WHY it is a fake, simply categorical claims that it is. I was under the impression that that was not how things were done on here. The best thing I saw was the mascot apples (an actual example of a similar event) but that was posted while I was writing my original post.

The point is, we could debate endlessly and ad nauseum whether or not it is real. The person making the claim that it's real is the one who should support the assertion (e.g., they could cut it in half and show that change runs all the way through the apple, if that's possible, analyze the DNA to show that it actually is a chimera, etc.). No, what they have offered instead is a de facto assertion that it is real, without any real irrefutable supporting evidence that it is, and an elaborate supposition as to why by a so-called expert that lends false credibility to that assertion.

There is a far easier and more rational, explainable way this "effect" could be achieved, and I have posted a link showing someone else who's done it (much more cleverly and artfully, I might add). Using the principle of Occam's razor, I therefore choose to reject outright - in the face of lack of clearly supporting evidence to support the assertion - that this is some chimera or some other natural occurrence.

Most worrisome to me is the fact that the Telegraph quotes someone as an expert who accepts the claim without further questioning, especially when with a little research, it is easy to explain. And, then reports this as "news" without even the hint that it's possible to fake this. At best, that represents sloppy journalism. At worst, it may be a case of purposeful and sensationalistic hoodwinking to create mystery where it doesn't exist all to sell ad space (not that I'm necessarily invoking conspiracy theory here).

That's how this works, at least in my book: demand proof from the claimant making the assertion. Don't fish around for or accept weak "probablies" and "likelies" that are falsely substitute as proof. Until they can show irrefutable evidence, I'm not willing to suspend my disbelief that this apple may be real, natural occurrence - especially when it's so easy to "fake" this presentation. I'm just not that gullible.

And, frankly, there's just better and more interesting strange possibilities out there to consider that are not quite so easily explained away. Therefore, not going to suspend my disbelief on this one waiting, breath abated, to be shown that this really could happen naturally... when it's clear to me, even looking at that photo, that someone is taking the piss.

In the meantime, if you don't want to talk about crop circles, maybe we can talk about the Loch Ness monster, okay? ;)

~Dr. Imago
 
I'm not that familiar with the Telegraph, because I'm an Am-ur-ih-kun. Is it a reliable newspaper like the "New York Times"... or is it more like the "New York Post"... or, worse, like the "Weekly World News"?

It is a reputable newspaper. I'd say NY times, which I do know. I'm not familiar with the NY Post, so I don't know where the Telegraph sits in relation to it. It is far from the WWN end of the spectrum.
 
Why not? My first thought was that it was a chimera with half golden delicious and half mutant. I would have expected 1/5 or 2/5 chimera rather than 1/2, as the apples grow with 5-fold symmetry, but who knows?

Judging from the picture, we can't say the apple is 1/2 green and 1/2 red. It could easily be 2/5 red and 3/5 green (or vice versa).
In fact if you look at the top, you can see a very small section of the other side, and the green side seems to veer to the left, consistent with 2/5 green and 3/5 red.

McHrozni
 
This was featuredd in many of the UK papers a couple of weeks ago and it made the rounds of the TV stations too. If it's a "million to one" happening there must be quite a few around, considering the billions of apples grown yearly.
 
Judging from the picture, we can't say the apple is 1/2 green and 1/2 red. It could easily be 2/5 red and 3/5 green (or vice versa).
In fact if you look at the top, you can see a very small section of the other side, and the green side seems to veer to the left, consistent with 2/5 green and 3/5 red.

McHrozni

I hadn't noticed that, but you're right - at least with a visual check. Hard to say, though. Definitely not so much as 40/60%. More like 48/52%?

I found a similar article in The Mail - but with the same pic, yet the pic shows a professional studio copyright sticker (or maybe from a previous publication?). Would that mean anything? I'm not sure, just asking questions in true conspiracy tradition.

The interviews with the farmer seem legit enough, but I notice in The Mail article comments that someone who knows him well leaps to his defense. That always makes me curious.
 
Sorry, it's one of my pet peeves, but there are bucket loads of straight lines in nature, both macro and microscopic. (Pine trees and mica flakes are two easy examples.) I've seen plenty of squash that are bicolored with the color split along a horizontal plane through the center of the squash (stem is the vertical axis), though not through the stem as claimed in this story.

No need to be sorry, it's always good to hear from people who know the topic well.

Is it likely that such a geometric shape appears after a one-step mutation, without any aid from natural selection?
 

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