The Freeman Movement and England

[D'rok]

Back to the Council Tax. Can you give us an example of a freeman who has successfully refused consent to the Council Tax please?

The example you gave me when I initially asked you this question was a freeman who unsuccessfully refused consent to the Council Tax.

 

[tuc0]

Then, by definition, a person who consents to all they are billed for is a financial slave.

By what definition? You still haven't provided a definition of what a "free man" is.

 

[Hans]

So you don't travel then or do you.....gasp apply for and get a passport....something you won't get unless you admit your a citizen of that country

Bad freeman, good slave

 

[Brian-M]

Slaves of the New World Order?

What exactly is the difference between a slave and a free person?
The free person is free to choose to change his situation while the slave is not.
A free person can choose to leave his employer and find a new one, while the slave has no choice for whom he works.

Extend this to government... are you free to change your situation? Are you free to emigrate to a country ruled by a government more to your liking, or does your government keep you imprisoned in your homeland?

If you are free to remove yourself from your government's rule [by emigrating], then you can't honestly claim to be enslaved.

Perhaps you should consider moving somewhere with a completely different kind of government. Would you prefer to live under Sharia Law in Saudi Arabia? Or maybe you'd be happier to live in the People's Republic of China? There are plenty of governments to choose from.

Terms like "New World Order" give the deceptive impression that government is the same throughout the world. This is far from true.

ETA:

Before the "Slaves to the New World Order" thread was merged into this one, I was responding to this OP...

'I pay my taxes. I follow the law. And nobody is going to tell me different'.

Except you have no choice. You don't want choice. Except that you have no power of consent. You don't want power of consent. Except that your 'law' is nothing but commerce presided over by corporate lawyers. Your 'law' is not law. You want sovereignty but you deny it to yourself. You fly the flag and are a proud citizen. Your Congress is a joke. Your courts are commercial companies operating according to the law of the Admiralty Law. Not the law of the land. Your tax money goes to the 'system'. Your choice is nil. And the scarecrows want you to pay, forever. As 'law abiding' slaves. Regardless of what the real law says. Anyone who says differently or who asks you to think is crazy.

You are, in fact, a 'law abiding' slave of the corporate mafia New World Order, and you are, like it or not, a faithful servant of the so-called government. Serving them, your master. Bailing them out. Over and over again. You sit on your backside while your own Constitution is being trashed. You want phone taps, surveillance state brutality, and corporate police. You sanction every venture of the industrial/military complex. And you are a 'law' abiding slave.

Since, a man cannot serve two masters. You are a law-abiding slave. And you have got the government you deserve. The one you want. The one who entertained you on TV. The one you demanded. You've no right to complain about it. Because you don't want it to be any different, even if people show that you yourself are the cause of your own slavery.

 

[Especially]

Slaves of the New World Order?

What exactly is the difference between a slave and a free person?
The free person is free to choose to change his situation while the slave is not.
A free person can choose to leave his employer and find a new one, while the slave has no choice for whom he works.

Extend this to government... are you free to change your situation? Are you free to emigrate to a country ruled by a government more to your liking, or does your government keep you imprisoned in your homeland?

If you are free to remove yourself from your government's rule [by emigrating], then you can't honestly claim to be enslaved.

Perhaps you should consider moving somewhere with a completely different kind of government. Would you prefer to live under Sharia Law in Saudi Arabia? Or maybe you'd be happier to live in the People's Republic of China? There are plenty of governments to choose from.

Terms like "New World Order" give the deceptive impression that government is the same throughout the world. This is far from true.

You are absolutely right. Slavery comes in many forms.

 

[funk de fino]

Her Brittanic Majesty has declared that you and I, as SUBJECTS of her regime, may travel without let or hinderance to other countries, subject to blah, blah, blah.

Thus granting you and I a freedom we already had since time immemorial.

Wrong.

You do know what a visa is dont you? You are not english.

 

[Hans]

So either you sit home, a slave trapped in his prison or you have begged and received a passport - admitting your a slave of the country in which you live

Rather poor freeman there dude, LOL

 

[Lothian]

Her Brittanic Majesty has declared that you and I, as SUBJECTS of her regime, may travel without let or hinderance to other countries, subject to blah, blah, blah.

Thus granting you and I a freedom we already had since time immemorial.

Are you English or American?

 

[Especially]

From what I gather a free man is somebody who pays up but bitches and moans about it.

No, a free man is one who renders unto Caesar knowing that he cannot serve two masters and growing to learn better.

 

[stateofgrace]

No, a free man is one who renders unto Caesar knowing that he cannot serve two masters and growing to learn better.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Hans]

I'm sorry Especially you must have missed my post

Is there any part of Freeman theory that you actually follow?

So tell us which taxes you haven't consented to?

 

[Especially]

I'm sorry Especially you must have missed my post

Is there any part of Freeman theory that you actually follow?

So tell us which taxes you haven't consented to?

I practice what I believe. So that it is not a theory but a practice.

I consent to that which is lawfully mine to pay.

 

[Tricky]

Several posts split to here from the "Slaves of the New World Order" thread which was closed because it was of nearly identical topic to this one.

Please do not start threads on the same topic to avoid moderated threads.

Thank you.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Fact 1 is wrong - No constitution

Ahem. Just a point of clarification here if I may?

All nations have a constitution otherwise there would be no government. What the US has that the UK doesn't is a codified single document consitution, whereas ours is in bits and pieces among various laws, regulations and traditions.

Of course, since this is the case, it might as well be said that we have no constitution, so I'm just being a massive pedant with too much time on my hands.

 

[stateofgrace]

I practice what I believe. So that it is not a theory but a practice.

I consent to that which is lawfully mine to pay.

So you pay the exact same bills I pay, right ?

 

[Especially]

Ahem. Just a point of clarification here if I may?

All nations have a constitution otherwise there would be no government. What the US has that the UK doesn't is a codified single document consitution, whereas ours is in bits and pieces among various laws, regulations and traditions.

Of course, since this is the case, it might as well be said that we have no constitution, so I'm just being a massive pedant with too much time on my hands.

You are completely correct. Which is the reason why British people need to work hard, to discover what the law is (and what it is not). The people of the USA have a brilliant Constitutution but there are people there who want to remove it, or replace it. Our case is different. We must establish what is lawful and what is only statute. They are two different things. One is the real law of this land, and the other is only a commercial statute, binding on us only with consent. It (Statute) consists of the Acts of Parliament. These are NOT laws. They are Statutes. And if we don't know they require our consent we can start to believe they are 'laws'. There is a big difference.

 

[Especially]

So you pay the exact same bills I pay, right ?

No, but I consider the exact same bills as you. Some I consent to, others not. As is my right (and yours) under the law of the land.

 

[volatile]

Relevant post from the AAH thread - I hope the mods don't think my re-posting it is unreasonable, given that it seems to be on-topic for this thread.

1. I always demand an itemised breakdown of the bill. I do this having lived long enough, and have visited shops and restaurants, and you will forgive me saying I pay no bill there too unless it is itemised and quantified. It's a habit of a lifetime and is not one I wish to give up.

2. If the council do not provide me with an itemised bill (which is my right under contract law) then, I tell them, that I cannot pay until they do so. Since I do not consent to bills which fail to provide me with a costed and itemised schedule which I can consider.

And what do they reply?

And what do they say when you remit to them only part of the sum they have demanded? Pragmatically - that is, not what happens in theory, but in practice - what happens next?

 

[drkitten]

Ahem. Just a point of clarification here if I may?

All nations have a constitution otherwise there would be no government. What the US has that the UK doesn't is a codified single document consitution, whereas ours is in bits and pieces among various laws, regulations and traditions.

Er,... no.

Lots of nations -- especially historically -- have had no constitution whatsoever. What they had was either an unwritten traditional structure ("we do things this way 'cause we've always done them this way") or an unwritten structure defined by the whims of the powerful, especially in absolutist monarchies. If the Red Queen can have your head cut off for beating her at croquet, there's no constitution, just a general urge to avoid her croquet parties.

The UK -- and England, specifically -- is relatively rare in having come up with the idea of formalizing (and writing down) traditions in the form of common law, and relatively fortunate in that they didn't have any strongmen who simply tore up the traditions as part of a wholesale "legal reform." Although a few of them tried, but Parliament was able to muster enough force -- if necessary, military force -- to fight back.

 

[Sledge]

Especially, you're not helping me much here. Obviously, I don't want to remain a slave of the NWO, but I also don't want to end up in an NWO prison. So please, what do I do when the NWO enforcers normally referred to as the police throw me in jail for not paying my taxes? At least tell me what taxes you don't pay and how you prevented the corrupt courts from imprisoning you.