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The Freeman Movement and England

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Hans said:
You avoided the question as I suspected you would

Right back at you, why aren't you following your own 'prescription'.

Puzzling isn't it?
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The only one who is puzzled is you.

I am a free man. I told you so in my answer. I have avoided nothing.

And you are .................... ?
 
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So just to be clear. You're not paying your taxes at any level but using the roads, driving a car that isn't registered, without plates or insurance.

Is that correct?
 
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So asking for the 'text' of the UK constitution is like asking for a definition of papal infallibility.
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All right, here's a definition of Papal infallibility:

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Papal infallibility is the dogma in Catholic theology that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation. It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidelium, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state either that the Pope cannot commit sin in his own personal life nor that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies.
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I can has text of UK constitution now, plz?
 
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Dear Sabrina,

If I send you a bill for 100,000 British Pounds will you pay it to me ?
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If you offered me a service worth 100,000 British Pounds and performed it to my satisfaction, I would. Probably on a payment plan, since I can't pay that amount of money all at once, but I'd still pay it IF there were a service rendered worth such an amount of money.

I pay LEGITIMATE bills every month for services rendered to me, be it use of a credit card, repairs to my car or apartment, or some form of health care or beauty treatment. I don't pay them if I don't recognize them; if that happens, I contact the agency in question and determine the reason for their sending me a bill.

Case in point; a magazine that had been sending me copies of it without my soliciting such attempted to collect on a bill they said I owed; I contested it, stating that I had not requested any such copies of their publication and was unwilling to pay the money they claimed I owed them. They apologized and rescinded the collection attempts, and I have not received any further publications from them since.

Paying legitimate bills is not a form of slavery; it is payment for services rendered, nothing more. Are you suggesting I don't pay someone for performing a service for me, either via monetary means or via some form of reciprocal service? If that's the case, I'm fairly sure you're quickly going to be unable to find anyone willing to perform any sort of service for you if you expect them to perform it without some form of incentive on their part.
 
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Hey I like being a slave to the system :rolleyes:. It provided me with my four bed room detached house, gives me two holidays a year, a nice car. Enough cash to go and have a god time with my mates every weekend.

It provided me with not one, not two but five flat screen televisions and games consoles for all my kids.

In a few years time it is also going to provide me with a large pension.

What's the matter are you jealous or what? Or do I take it as a freeman you have none of the material stuff that goes with having a job?
 
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Sabrina said:
If you offered me a service worth 100,000 British Pounds and performed it to my satisfaction, I would. Probably on a payment plan, since I can't pay that amount of money all at once, but I'd still pay it IF there were a service rendered worth such an amount of money.

I pay LEGITIMATE bills every month for services rendered to me, be it use of a credit card, repairs to my car or apartment, or some form of health care or beauty treatment. I don't pay them if I don't recognize them; if that happens, I contact the agency in question and determine the reason for their sending me a bill.

Case in point; a magazine that had been sending me copies of it without my soliciting such attempted to collect on a bill they said I owed; I contested it, stating that I had not requested any such copies of their publication and was unwilling to pay the money they claimed I owed them. They apologized and rescinded the collection attempts, and I have not received any further publications from them since.

Paying legitimate bills is not a form a slavery; it is payment for services rendered, nothing more. Are you suggesting I don't pay someone for performing a service for me, either via monetary means or via some form of reciprocal service? If that's the case, I'm fairly sure you're quickly going to be unable to find anyone willing to perform any sort of service for you if you expect them to perform it without some form of incentive on their part.
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Yes, exactly, and do you have a monopoly on common sense ? I have said exactly the same. I pay what is legitimately justified. But I do not pay what is not. I have consent. And I use it.

Now, let us take a simple case.

Council Tax.

Do you have a costed, quantified Council Tax Bill ? And have you ever, at any time, asked for one ? Since you pay them, don't you ? Do your rules of scrutiny not apply in such a case ? LOL !!!

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What?!?! I've wasted my life! I've got to rise up against something! Quick! I need to know where the nearest gun show, gold mine, and white supremacist commune is! We're gonna need a lot more copies of the Turner Diaries before this thing is through!

Thank god you were here, especially. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
 
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You don't want the Constitution. You don't want good government. You don't want personal liberty. You don't want choice, or the power of consent. You don't want anything except a widescreen television.
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Not just ANY widescreen television.

I won't trade my freedom for anything less than high-def.
 
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But you admit you are a slave. You admit that you are serving the 'government' and not vice-versa. You admit that you never examine the law. You admit you are in total ignorance of corporate government (a corporate government which runs even the legal industry). You admit that politicians are a bunch of rogues. You admit that the entire system is heading towards slavery. None of this is disputed by you.

And why is this so ? It has to do with the fact that you do not know what law is. You honestly have no idea. Read your own Constitution.

You receive a bill and you dutifully pay it. You never question its lawfulness. You don't want to be a free man. Because a free man is a man who abides by the law. With the power of consent. With his own personal sovereignty. In complete conformity to the law and good government.

I am a free man.
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Ah but who is number 1?
 
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Yes, exactly, and do you have a monopoly on common sense ? I have said exactly the same. I pay what is legitimately justified. But I do not pay what is not. I have consent. And I use it.

Now, let us take a simple case.

Council Tax.

Do you have a costed, quantified Council Tax Bill ? And have you ever, at any time, asked for one ? Since you pay them, don't you ? Do your rules of scrutiny not apply in such a case ? LOL !!!

Thank You
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My county's budget and tax bills are available for all to see, and if I objected to any part of it, there are means by which I can make my case known. So your point is moot; I still question and scrutinize my bills, taxes included.

So far I've gotten a refund every year when I file my taxes.
 
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Sir, I said yesterday I am not in correspondence with you. But you barge in again and expect an answer. Because you have no respect for others.

I pay what is mine to pay. I do not pay for judo clubs, lesbian and gay activities or Greek lessons. I do not pay for goods and services which I do not have. And so, it seems to me, that if the goods and services I require are offered to me I must, and will, consider their offer. As is my right. Under law.

The world is not a complicated place, is it ?
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The world is a very complicated place. Possibly a bit too complicated for you, or you would realise that what you propose is unworkable.
 
But wait Especially

Aren't you supporting the evil government by paying your taxes? That makes no sense, do you suffer from bi-polar? Because you are saying one thing and doing another.

Puzzling isn't

Since we have confirmed that you don't follow "freeman" theory for taxation is there any aspect of it that you do?
 
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The world is a very complicated place. Possibly a bit too complicated for you, or you would realise that what you propose is unworkable.
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Well, Fagin, we weave a tangled web to follow the 'world' that corrupt lawyers, politicians, bankers, tax authorities, and the mass media are constructing. But the world is, fundamentally, simple.

You, as a human being, are sovereign. It means you have the power of personal consent. Which is a great idea. It gives you choice. And, if you practice this gift it gives you discernment, to pay what you consent to, and not to pay what you do not.

Which seems to be infininitely better than a slave to government and to corporate fraudsters.

But if you do not agree, good luck to you. Life IS choice.
 
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But wait Especially

Aren't you supporting the evil government by paying your taxes? That makes no sense, do you suffer from bi-polar? Because you are saying one thing and doing another.

Puzzling isn't

Since we have confirmed that you don't follow "freeman" theory for taxation is there any aspect of it that you do?
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Hans, please tell us if you are a free man, or not ? I must insist that you answer here, because you are avoiding any answer. I repeat my question (again). You are puzzling yourself.

Thank You
 
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Well, Fagin, we weave a tangled web to follow the 'world' that corrupt lawyers, politicians, bankers, tax authorities, and the mass media are constructing. But the world is, fundamentally, simple.

You, as a human being, are sovereign. It means you have the power of personal consent. Which is a great idea. It gives you choice. And, if you practice this gift it gives you discernment, to pay what you consent to, and not to pay what you do not.

Which seems to be infininitely better than a slave to government and to corporate fraudsters.

But if you do not agree, good luck to you. Life IS choice.
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Rubbish, if you choose to be a part of society, live by it's rules, change the rules or go live in a cave and eat leaves. But don't drive on the roads I paid for.

ps don't worry most undergraduates grow out of this phase.
 
Hans said:
Sure I'm a free man. What I do is talk a lot of talk about freedom and when the evil gubmit sends me a bill I buckle down and pay it like a slave, I consent to it, I consent to it all. Just like you

You're my hero.
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You 'consent to it all'.

Then, by definition, a person who consents to all they are billed for is a financial slave. Which you admit yourself.

But I do not consent to all that is billed to me as tax.

That is the difference. And I am free to consent or not, as I see fit.

Therefore I am free. And you, by your own admission, are not.
 
Excuse me but I pay no US tax at all, and do it legally and you do, you pay all your tax.

In the freedom thing I'm four points over you sonny, LOL

Try again

So tell us which taxes you haven't consented to?
 
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