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Iran talks get results

wow Peephole, you start out with spin and distortion, and whip out the race card faster than I've ever seen in any discussion that didn't include Obama.

Bra VO.
 
OLD AND BUSTED: Iran produces moderate amounts of low-grade enriched uranium. Insists it's for peaceful purposes. Pursues its real plans (whatever they are) anyway. So does Russia.

NEW HOTNESS: Russia replaces Iran's low-grade enriched uranium with high-grade enriched uranium. Iran insists it's for peaceful purposes. Pursues its real plans (whatever they are) anyway. So does Russia.

As far as I can tell, the only thing that's changed is that now, thanks to "smart diplomacy" and "engagement", the UN has somehow managed to greenlight Iran's acquisition of high-grade enriched uranium, and Russia gets PR credit for helping out.
 
Report Says Iran Has Data to Make a Nuclear Bomb
Senior staff members of the United Nations nuclear agency have concluded in a confidential analysis that Iran has acquired “sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable” atom bomb.

The report by experts in the International Atomic Energy Agency stresses in its introduction that its conclusions are tentative and subject to further confirmation of the evidence, which it says came from intelligence agencies and its own investigations.

But the report’s conclusions, described by senior European officials, go well beyond the public positions taken by several governments, including the United States.

...Most dramatically, the report says the agency “assesses that Iran has sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device” based on highly enriched uranium.

...The excerpts of the analysis also suggest the Iranians have done a wide array of research and testing to perfect nuclear arms, like making high-voltage detonators, firing test explosives and designing warheads.

...The agency’s tentative analysis also says that Iran “most likely” obtained the needed information for designing and building an implosion bomb “from external sources” and then adapted the information to its own needs.

It said nothing specific about the “external sources,” but many intelligence agencies assume that Iran obtained a bomb design from A. Q. Khan, the rogue Pakistani black marketer who sold it machines to enrich uranium. That information may have been supplemented by a Russian nuclear weapons scientist who visited Iran often, investigators say.
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Yep, results!
 
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Policenaut said:
I remember some people swearing to their god that Bush was going to start a war with Iran before he left office. What happened?
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I was thinking about that the other day. The rumours started up every time another Aircraft Carrier (if I remember correctly) was sent to the gulf. This was obvious proof that the invasion was imminent despite the fact that it was simply a routine swap for the one that was already there.

I don't remember enough of the details to find the threads on the topic but I seem to remember one or two posters who bought the rumours more than once.
 
Peephole said:
I thought there was no unified opinion about nuclear weapons among Iran's clerics?
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That doesn't invalidate what he wrote.

Peephole said:
Thinking Iran's leaders are fundamentally irrational is nowhere based in fact and is nothing more than a form of racism.
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Just because you think they are acting rationally doesn't mean that those of us who disagree are racist.

You may be able to remember a disputed election earlier this year that suggested that the majority of Persians believe their leaders to be acting irrationally.
 
Darth Rotor said:
I agree. Who does this?

Pssssssst. They were already on board, on their own terms. Have been for years. They are not required to dance to America's tune, or haven't you been paying attention to Vlad Putin for the past ten years?

DR
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Marc39 said

The Soviets were not religious whackjobs seeking to die.
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Implying that Iranians are. I think this implication ignores the realities that exist in Iranian culture.

Am I confused or hasn't the removal of an obsolete, untested, and over priced missile system from the Russian boarder created the opportunity for Russia to support the U.S. in enforcing stricter sanctions and opening up better communication between all parties? The beginning results being this new openness on behalf of the Iranians. Just this morning the U.N. inspectors arrived in Iran.

Its a small step in a better direction. It will be on all parties involved to live up to expectations.
 
Biscuit said:
Implying that Iranians are. I think this implication ignores the realities that exist in Iranian culture.
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Marc39 probably meant to implicate Iranian leadership, not blanket all its citizenry.

Biscuit said:
The beginning results being this new openness on behalf of the Iranians. Just this morning the U.N. inspectors arrived in Iran.
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Most likely, they will not start inspecting until the Iranians have moved incriminating evidence out - and that's if they actually get in by the two-week deadline.

Question: the rationale for the hold on airstrikes against Iran's facilities is that they have a bunch of hidden enrichment sites, correct? (besides the "right to nuclear power" which is a lot of garbage considering their duplicity) So how will inspections of about 1/12 of their sites (according to American guesses) help any?
 
Marc39 said:
350 million Arab Muslims can't be wrong.
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Really? All Arab muslims are racist? really? Are you that shallow?

Even if that were true, and I dare you to prove it, does adding one more racist help the situation? Grow up.
 
Sporanox said:
Marc39 probably meant to implicate Iranian leadership, not blanket all its citizenry.
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Given his other statements, like all muslims are racist, I think you are being a bit optimistic about Marc's intention



Sporanox said:
Most likely, they will not start inspecting until the Iranians have moved incriminating evidence out - and that's if they actually get in by the two-week deadline.

Question: the rationale for the hold on airstrikes against Iran's facilities is that they have a bunch of hidden enrichment sites, correct? (besides the "right to nuclear power" which is a lot of garbage considering their duplicity) So how will inspections of about 1/12 of their sites (according to American guesses) help any?
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Now I would have to say you are being pessimistic. Its a start and one that I welcome and proud to see happening. Do I think its problem solved and everyone can hug? No, there is a lot of very hard work ahead and probably some set backs. Like I said earlier, "walk softly and carry a big stick."
 
Yea, as long as Russia upholds their promise there should'nt be a problem at all.

Is that the general idea? They are'nt having any financial problems and certainly would'nt refine excess counter to this agreement for money would they?

I mean, we've always trusted Russia and never had a reason not to right?
 
JJM 777 said:
Uhh, am I really seeing a discussion where Iran's nuclear and other ambitions are the Evil in the world, while American nuclear and other ambitions are the Good in the world?
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We used two atomic bombs to bring WW II to an end and save the lives of possibly a million American soldiers and 10 million Japanese. We maintained a nuclear first stike policy during the Cold War that only was to be implimented in the event of total war (such as a Soviet invasion of Western Europe). Iran is a rogue nation that is a state sponsor of terrorism. Spare me the moral equivalency.

JJM 777 said:
Well USA couldn't be the militant bastard it is, unless at least 50% of its citizens politically tolerate its militant bastardry.
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Effective political rhetoric should have some logic behind it otherwise it's just demagogery.
 
Marc39 said:
The Soviets were not religious whackjobs seeking to die. Thus, the concept of mutually assured self-destruction is inoperative.
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So you have quotes from Ayatollah Khamenie or other mullahs on the Supreme Council evidencing this?

(You do realize that Ahmadinijad doesn't run the country right?)
 
theprestige said:
NEW HOTNESS: Russia replaces Iran's low-grade enriched uranium with high-grade enriched uranium. Iran insists it's for peaceful purposes. Pursues its real plans (whatever they are) anyway.
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Reading helps...

"French technicians then would fabricate it into fuel rods and return it to Tehran to power a nuclear research reactor that's used to make isotopes for nuclear medicine. Iran says the old reactor, which dates from the Shah's era, is running out of nuclear fuel.

A second senior U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity, said that Iran doesn't have the technology to convert the fuel rods back into bomb-making material."
 
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