Dog consumption

[Drudgewire]

I will not Google. I will not Google. I will not Google. I will not Google. I will not Google.

I didn't think any football fan would have to. It was one of the more salacious details of the Vick story. v

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[JoeTheJuggler]

I will not Google. I will not Google. I will not Google. I will not Google. I will not Google.

Me neither. I'm hoping to learn what this nefarious device is when the Michael Vick Nike ads come out.

ETA: Dernit, you beat me by a matter of seconds, Drudgewire.

 

[Cleon]

Yeah, I'm not familiar with any form of meat processing that includes a device called a "rape stand."

Living in Atlanta, I've heard way, way, way too many details about what Michael Vick was up to. I find the suggestion that dogfighting is "way way less severe" than butchering and eating dogs to be incredibly ignorant--in all senses of the word "ignorant."

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

I always wanted a pet troll, but was unsure of what to feed it.

Attention.

(Welcome to the JREF forums, Danger Kitty!)

 

[Hokulele]

I didn't think any football fan would have to. It was one of the more salacious details of the Vick story. v

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Heh. If a football player wants to be a vicious idiot off the field, I can disapprove without the graphic details.

If they are an idiot on the field...

 

[makaya325]

Let me explain something interesting about cultural standards.

See, cultures despite what one might think, are not created equal. A culture where it is acceptable to kill 12 year olds if they don't meet some standard is demonstrably worse than one that isn't. So when the maxim cultural difference is tossed around, it is often to excuse inexcuseable behavior.

Then there's the things that are simply cultural differences. One culture has no problem with women walking around topless. Another considers women showing their navels to be shameless flirts. Which is worse? Well, if we ignore some finer points, neither. There is no cultural disadvantage to women being topless, assuming it's seen as 'normal' versus them covering their belly buttons, assuming that is 'normal.'

On the functional specifics, we all agree that meat eating is okay (we'll ignore the vegan/vegitarian point of view for a moment, but don't worry, I didn't forget you. It's just that that's a different conversation). The question is what animals can you consume. Arab countries tend to have an incredibly visceral reaction to the consumption of pork. Even Arab atheists (yes, I have met them) find eating pork literally disgusting. They have this disgusted look on their face, as they gradual reconcile it rationally - but they don't stop being disgusted.

I'm drawing a parallel here, in case you missed it. What meats are and aren't acceptable to eat are largely cultural issues (except for monkey/cannibalism. Those are close enough that risks of disease transmission go through the ever loving roof. Too, too dangerous to ever be acceptable).

So, basically, it's different strokes for different cultures? Look, I believe violence is not the answer, but somebody needs to do something about this.

 

[AvalonXQ]

The dogs consumed in Asian contries are not pet breeds; they're food breeds. It's an entirely different animal. It's raised and treated as livestock, and it's eaten as livestock. I hope to try dog someday.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Living in Atlanta, I've heard way, way, way too many details about what Michael Vick was up to. I find the suggestion that dogfighting is "way way less severe" than butchering and eating dogs to be incredibly ignorant--in all senses of the word "ignorant."

I'm a vegetarian, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. Killing and eating is NOT morally equivalent to torturing and abusing.

 

[makaya325]

The dogs consumed in Asian contries are not pet breeds; they're food breeds. It's an entirely different animal. It's raised and treated as livestock, and it's eaten as livestock. I hope to try dog someday.

Oh, ok, so they don't consume the common breeds of Dog, such as Lab's, Dachsunds, etc? If it is wild dogs, then I would not mind

 

[Cleon]

So, basically, it's different strokes for different cultures? Look, I believe violence is not the answer, but somebody needs to do something about this.

Yeah, ok. Get back to us when you actually figure the bolded part out.

 

[makaya325]

Yeah, ok. Get back to us when you actually figure the bolded part out.

I do not mean one person, I mean a whole nation does. We spend more time caring about What Brittany Spears is doing, when we should be caring about more important issues in the world

 

[Drudgewire]

Heh. If a football player wants to be a vicious idiot off the field, I can disapprove without the graphic details.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, there's Junior Seau getting run over by a bull.

 

[Cleon]

Oh, ok, so they don't consume the common breeds of Dog, such as Lab's, Dachsunds, etc? If it is wild dogs, then I would not mind

No, they're not eating Labradors. And a Daschund would barely be enough for a side dish. Nor arr they "wild dogs," any more than the beef you buy at Kroger is from "wild cows." They have certain breeds of dogs specifically for food.

This is why it's important to learn what the hell you're talking about before running off at the mouth.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

So, basically, it's different strokes for different cultures?

And your answer is that "It's my way or the highway?"

Look, I believe violence is not the answer, but somebody needs to do something about this.

So you're not advocating bombing them?

Then maybe we should go with my idea of a popular vote.

I guarantee you, you will lose. Even in countries were dog eating isn't part of the majority culture, few people agree with you that we should impose our opinion onto others.

You yourself have tried to argue "Statistics" both ways: dog-eating is so widespread it's an outrage AND keeping dogs as pets is so widespread it's wrong to eat dogs.

You should introduce a resolution into the U.N. calling for a worldwide popular election on the issue.

 

[Mojo]

Because Statistics, culture, and Human nature consider dogs Pets and companions, NOT FOOD!

There are human cultures in which eating dogs is acceptable, so culture and human nature evidently don't inevitably agree with you. And as for "statistics", a minority position isn't automatically wrong.

Your entire argument comes down to your opinion.

 

[Cleon]

I do not mean one person, I mean a whole nation does.

Perhaps, but despite being asked repeatedly, you still can't come up with any idea more concrete than "someone should do something." You don't know who, and you don't know what to do.

We spend more time caring about What Brittany Spears is doing, when we should be caring about more important issues in the world

And in the grand scheme of things, even dog meat isn't exactly one of the more pressing issues of the day.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

If it is wild dogs, then I would not mind

Nope--that doesn't wash. You yourself have pointed out that we have a relationship with dogs (that is, we domesticated wolves) since around 15,000 BC.

Surely you know such breeds as Dachshunds, Labs and poodles weren't developed that long ago.

In fact, the dog breeds you want to protect probably date from more recently than the time when cows were domesticated!

Yep--you've been caught in yet another case of contradictory or inconsistent reasoning.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

And as for "statistics", a minority position isn't automatically wrong.

Or automatically right. He's argued that both ways.

 

[Drudgewire]

Oh, ok, so they don't consume the common breeds of Dog, such as Lab's, Dachsunds, etc? If it is wild dogs, then I would not mind

Oh sure, just chow down on a big bowl of baby dingo stew.

HAVE YOU NO SOUL??

 

[Darat]

In a honey BBQ sauce - delicious as finger food!