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The Freeman Movement and England

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D'rok said:
I get an extra chuckle out of this UK brand of FOTL woo. Elevating the common law to the supreme law of the land really just means that the unelected judiciary is supreme. Who makes common law? Judges. Who does judicial review? Judges. Who appoints judges in the UK? The Queen on the advice of the PM. Some freedom!
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I thought this was kind of weird as well. Complaining about the head of state being "unelected" while rejecting laws made by elected representatives in favour of law made by unelected judges...
 
Mojo said:
I thought this was kind of weird as well. Complaining about the head of state being "unelected" while rejecting laws made by elected representatives in favour of law made by unelected judges...
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Just a minute !

The head of state IS an unelected dynasty, yes ? To which all Members of Parliament must swear an oath of allegiance. Do you agree with this being true or not ?
 
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It says so in the Act of Settlement and in the Bill of Rights.
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But those are both acts of parliament, and therefore not binding according to, er, you.

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The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history).
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Ambrosia said:
Might I humbly suggest that you expand your horizons of world knowledge and go find out the truth about who is.

You might well be surprised.
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And how many suckers born every minute ?

With respect, life is choice and you really owe it to yourself to realise the difference between commercial law and the Common Law of England.

Yes ?

Get my point ?

As for people in prison, they are almost entirely those who hold your views on these issues.

The freeman appeals to law. He keeps the law. What law ? The Common Law of England.

It does not get more simple. Nor will it ever be more simple. The rest is a scam in courts operating under Commercial Law.
 
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What a collection of fictions !

You seem to ignore the fact that an MP gives up any pretence of SERVING the people when he gives an oath to the MONARCHY !!!

Earth calling England, Earth calling England !!!!!
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Read it again, with care. You might pick out that I had registered the Queen as 'figurehead'. This means she and her monarchy, while having seeming to have quite a lot of power at first inspection, actually have very little, as they are prevented by convention from using it. Once again, try next time with evidence. Show me the monarchy has and uses excessive power, and how in any way the monarchy is at current against the interest of the public.
 
Mojo said:
But those are both acts of parliament, and therefore not binding according to, er, you.
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Nothing is lawfully binding on me without my personal, expressed consent.

But in your case everything is binding on you because you have already consented to it. Even commercial contracts.

So, who is free and who is not ?

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Just a minute !

The head of state IS an unelected dynasty, yes ? To which all Members of Parliament must swear an oath of allegiance. Do you agree with this being true or not ?
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I was just wondering why you objected to laws made by elected representatives, but not laws made by unelected judges.
 
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Nothing is lawfully binding on me without my personal, expressed consent.

But in your case everything is binding on you because you have already consented to it. Even commercial contracts.
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Contracts are only binding on me if I agree to them. Statutes are not contracts.

Now, do you have any authority for your claim about treason that doesn't rely on the legislation you reject?
 
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And how many suckers born every minute ?

With respect, life is choice and you really owe it to yourself to realise the difference between commercial law and the Common Law of England.

Yes ?

Get my point ?

As for people in prison, they are almost entirely those who hold your views on these issues.

The freeman appeals to law. He keeps the law. What law ? The Common Law of England.

It does not get more simple. Nor will it ever be more simple. The rest is a scam in courts operating under Commercial Law.
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Have you ever thought to check the validity of this information yourself? If not, do you think it might be worth doing so, before you get too deep into this idealism?
 
Hmmmmmmmmm.

As to the English flag not being allowed to be shown - well in parts of Belfast it's not a wise idea if you want to keep your teeth in your head. Although nobody I know calls it anything other than a St George's Cross.

Anyway, enough of the high-falutin' political and legal talk. Especially - how are you going to save me money? I would love to not pay for things, being a complete miser. Don't bother with all the common law and statute b******s, just tell me how I save money.

Also, how have you done in your battles against the system? Do provide some (ahem!) especially juicy details of how you prevailed against The Corporate System.
 
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Just a minute !

The head of state IS an unelected dynasty, yes ? To which all Members of Parliament must swear an oath of allegiance. Do you agree with this being true or not ?
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Uh, England has had an unelected monarch about as long as they have had your beloved common law, which grew up under the Monarchy. As a Yank, I have no love for hereditary monarchy, but to make out Queen Liz 2 as a powerful tyrant is drop dead funny.
BTW, as to your your claim that Monarchy came over with Willilam the conqueror, that is BS. England had kings before Willie took over. All he did was change the CEO......
 
Mojo said:
If you actually practice this nonsense, I strongly suspect that I will be free for rather longer than you.
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But you are not free in the first place, by your own admission. You are a subject of the system and you comply fully with their commercial demands, whether you ask for them or not.

So your freedom is an illusion. You have no freedom and want none.

Simple. Which is fine. Except that life is choice. So is freedom.

Regards
 
dudalb said:
Uh, England has had an unelected monarch about as long as they have had your beloved common law, which grew up under the Monarchy. As a Yank, I have no love for hereditary monarchy, but to make out Queen Liz 2 as a powerful tyrant is drop dead funny.
BTW, as to your your claim that Monarchy came over with Willilam the conqueror, that is BS. England had kings before Willie took over. All he did was change the CEO......
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Yes, and the unelected monarchy of England invaded the USA and killed lots of Americans. It happened in the War of Independence. Did you forget that ? And who opposed the great USA and its Constitution ? Why, the elite monarchy of England !!

England had kings but they were all elected. They were not tax gathering slaves to the Papacy. And they were not the sovereignty of the nation. The people were.

Big differences, yes ?
 
Comsat Angel said:
Hmmmmmmmmm.

As to the English flag not being allowed to be shown - well in parts of Belfast it's not a wise idea if you want to keep your teeth in your head. Although nobody I know calls it anything other than a St George's Cross.

Anyway, enough of the high-falutin' political and legal talk. Especially - how are you going to save me money? I would love to not pay for things, being a complete miser. Don't bother with all the common law and statute b******s, just tell me how I save money.

Also, how have you done in your battles against the system? Do provide some (ahem!) especially juicy details of how you prevailed against The Corporate System.
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Simple.

Pay a visit to a website such as FMOTL.

Hope that answers your questions.

Best wishes
 
leafman91 said:
Have you ever thought to check the validity of this information yourself? If not, do you think it might be worth doing so, before you get too deep into this idealism?
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Sir, I have not only checked it out. But so have tens of thousands of other law-abiding people. In England alone. And in the USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and many other places.

Life is choice. Our courts run on commercial law. And in commercial law their contracts require your Consent.

It's really that simple.

The law is the law. Do not confuse it with Statutes and the scam of commercial courts.

Try this as an example. An English website -

FMOTL
 
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