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The Freeman Movement and England

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Point Number 2 is even worse. The 'laws' made by the British Parliament in Westminster are NOT laws. They are Acts of Parliament. Statutes. And this is very important. These 'Acts of Parliament' are NOT the Law. They are in fact Statutes. They require your CONSENT before they are valid against you. In fact, the Law of this nation is the Common Law of England and politicians here do NOT make the laws. Our laws (as said) are the Common Law of England, and they always have been throughout our long history).
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And if there's a fringe on the flag, it's an Admiralty court, so you don't have to pay taxes!
 
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Traffic police here genuinely believe they have the power to arrest people if they do not give their name and address on request. But that 'law' is only a Statute. It is contrary to the actual Law.

Large tax bills are routinely sent out by local government offices for public services. But these too are not supported by the laws of England. They too are only Statutes. Once again, the people believe these bills are 'laws of England'. In fact, they are not valid unless we accept them. Unless we consent to them.
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The real heart of the FOTL movement is right here. They do not wish to pay their share of public infrastructure, but want to continue to use it, and believe the invocation of "the magic words" frees them from all responsibility.

BTW, there is a small FOTL movement in Australia, and their main concern judging from a BB I sometimes look at, is how to avoid paying for things. The one common factor about all FOTLers. They are leeches.

Norm
 
I say we encourage them to carry on and eventually they will be clogging up the jails.

Then we can have a little giggle at them.

I bet he cannot bring any excerpts from the English Constitution.
 
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...... is how to avoid paying for things. The one common factor about all FOTLers. They are leeches.

Norm
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Exactly.

I wonder if alot of these people get into the woo because they have fallen foul of their country's tax regime. It might be that they made a semi-honest mistake or they tried to play the system because they just didn't want to pay tax, but then they get caught and all of a sudden they go looking for a 'get out of jail free' card or a conspiracy behind the tax system they are in trouble with.

Perhaps the tax authorities indulge them a little to begin with, in order to not be seen to be acting harshly against someone who may have made an honest mistake. But in doing so, it's possible that they inadvertently encourage the woo thinking by allowing the tax non-payer to believe that there is some merit in the arguments they are proposing.

And from this sorry state of affairs it's not too difficult a leap to believing in global conspiracies involving secret societies/religious sects/political ideologies, all working behind the scenes to make sure that the judicial system and the media don't take their claims seriously.

And if that all powerful NWO is capable of all this, then perhaps they're also capable of murder and false flag attacks and chemtrails and ...... and...... TAX!
 
Last I heard the Cross of St. George was generally accepted as the "English Flag", as the Saltire is the flag of Scotland. The Union Jack is the mongrel UK version.
 
I'm not really sure which flag he's talking about anyway. Last time I looked, most village churches in England were flying the St. George's Cross all the time, and everybody and his mate has their houses and cars bedecked with the thing whenever England get within sniffing distance of any international football final. The Last Night of the Proms usually has quite a few on display too.

I doubt very much if the OP has even visited England. I wonder if he'll return to this thread?

Hey, Especially, can you tell where my location is from the information given below my avatar? PM me if you work it out.

That might be a good test.

Rolfe.
 
Soapy Sam said:
Last I heard the Cross of St. George was generally accepted as the "English Flag", as the Saltire is the flag of Scotland. The Union Jack is the mongrel UK version.
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However that isn't supported by the actual law. While I have no idea what the legal status of the saltire is neither england or the UK strickly speaking have an official flag. There is a royal standard of the united kingdom but that is rather different and there still hasn't been a royal standard of england in centuries.
 
patchbunny said:
I simply feel the need to pop in here and point out every single time I see the phrase "FOTL woo" my mind interprets it as "faster than light woo", and for a brief instant I wonder why they're bringing cosmology into a discussion of government.

Anyway, back to the show.

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Every time I see "FOTLer" I think it says "footler,", which is actually pretty appropriate if you think about it.
 
I will gladly sell to anyone who has $25 (american) a Constitution of England.
 
Rolfe said:
I'm not really sure which flag he's talking about anyway. Last time I looked, most village churches in England were flying the St. George's Cross all the time, and everybody and his mate has their houses and cars bedecked with the thing whenever England get within sniffing distance of any international football final. The Last Night of the Proms usually has quite a few on display too.
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If the analogy to the US version holds, perhaps that cross is off by 90 degrees.

Some of the US freemen types claim that the US flag with horizontal stripes is actually a solely military flag, so anyone displaying it is under non-common law jurisdiction and so on. The real "flag of peace" has vertical stripes.

As I recall, one basis for this belief comes from a passage in Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter, so... well...

Anyway, maybe the "real" flag has the cross longer vertically than horizontally...
 
dudalb said:
BTW In answer to one of Espicially more "interesting" points, hasn't taking an Oath to the Monarch been a requirement for taking a seat in Parliament since the Middle Ages in England?????? Why is it so sinister now?
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Because you use your left hand to take the oath?
 
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