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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

Hey, ya'll heard me on the radio, it wasn't there. If I was really drunk, or mad, then it come RIGHT BACK TO ME!!! Or, if I go home.
 
Before I forget, just wanted to wish Mackey all the best in todays's Hardfire debate with Tony Szamboti.

I also want to wish David Chandler all the best marking papers, or whatever it is that prevents him from facing his challengers in public.:D
 
Well, debate's over. Went pretty much as expected. Tony still denies that the upper block tilted before it descended, and that appears to be his Irreducible Delusion.

My computer hiccoughed and I lost the entire second of three shows. My fault. I'm not sure how much Gary will have to work with, but maybe he can pull something off. The first and third should be fine. Sorry for the problems.

We both prepared some slides -- Tony had brought many slides -- but we only went through a few of them. I'm going to send mine to the usual suspects to see if they'd like to host them for your later perusal.
 
I don't know, but you'll get to see it in a couple of weeks for yourself. I was really hoping for a more interesting discussion. I warned him to bring his A-game, and he didn't do it...
 
R.Mackey said:
I don't know, but you'll get to see it in a couple of weeks for yourself. I was really hoping for a more interesting discussion. I warned him to bring his A-game, and he didn't do it...
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The only thing he could claim is an optical illusion or some sort of perception error. And both would be a severe stretch.

I'm just mystified.
 
R.Mackey said:
I don't know, but you'll get to see it in a couple of weeks for yourself. I was really hoping for a more interesting discussion. I warned him to bring his A-game, and he didn't do it...
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Can you tell us his talking points? Were they Chandler-type 8 floors taken out at once=controlled demolition? Were they Jones & Co.'s nano-thermite/paint chips?
 
It was basically a rehash of his "Missing Jolt" paper, really nothing new at all. All of the arguments against it by myself, Dave Rogers, Dr. Greening, Gregory Urich, remain in full force.

I was attempting to add further clarification with my own slides describing, in more detail, how I believe the collapse initiation really happened beyond the point NIST drops it, but we really didn't get that far. But I'll make the slides available.
 
Childlike Empress said:
*yawn* Craig Ranke is still waiting for your reply.
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Ranke defends Balsamo's 11.2 g failed physics and you defend Ranke's failed delusion about Mackey. Why make a post that implies you can't do math or physics to save Ranke's failed ideas?

The debate with realcddeal and Mackey will be interesting. I look forward to seeing examples of the delusional work Tony did and how Mackey responded to the moronic delusions Tony presented.
 
I thought tilting were used as one of the main arguments for CD.
It appears to stop moving sideways when dropping, and that is clearly because being blown to dust negates any momentum. (or something like that)
 
Toke said:
I thought tilting were used as one of the main arguments for CD.
It appears to stop moving sideways when dropping, and that is clearly because being blown to dust negates any momentum. (or something like that)
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Tilting would obscure the "jolt" that Tony said he can't detect (in his paper). I think.
 
Yeah CE I'm not seeing the appeal to authority either...

Could you elaborate?
 
Mackey,
Was the NIST collapse theory for WTC7 covered, or was this debate devoted to the towers?
 
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R.Mackey;5146789]Well, debate's over. Went pretty much as expected. Tony still denies that the upper block tilted before it descended, and that appears to be his Irreducible Delusion.
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ElMondoHummus In spite of all the pictures and video of it doing exactly that?? How??
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DGM
Tilting would obscure the "jolt" that Tony said he can't detect (in his paper). I think.
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The tilting proves the upper block columns did not fall directly onto the columns below, they smashed the puny 2.5" (at the metal pan ribs) to 4" thick concrete floor slab below, therefore "no jolt". Hoisted by his own petard, "no jolt" Szamboti unintentionally proves gravity collapse, not CD of the towers.

You can't argue with facts. Instead of admitting this, he denies the nose in his face and claims the recorded visual facts are lying. To Szamboti, what he wants to believe is more important than facts.

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Tis funny, as Szamboti forgot that many truthers like to claim the tilting of the upper block would somehow be unstoppable and result in it falling sideways off the lower block in a cartoon like manner. :rolleyes:
If only these numptys could at least be consistent.
 
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R.Mackey said:
That's a good parody -- you sound almost like one of those nuts. :D

If they ever find a way to explain away the radar evidence, let me know.

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This is a police standard of investigation. I just watched it again. Don't worry your head about the radar- worry about the rest. Jeez you really are so hopelesly transparent. I bet you hope this never comes on top.
 
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