9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[dudalb]

Forget it. I admit I have soft racialist tendencies but I am anti-totalitarian hence not a neo-nazi

"Soft Racialist Tendencies"?

Being a "Soft" racist is like being Half Pregnent.

 

[Thunder]

We're in page 42 now and I am still waiting for this 'tearing apart'. Not going to happen if you ask me.

so, um, when ya gonna debunk ALL the census data and population statistics that show a loss of at least 5 million Jews during WW2?

you've had a few months now. I'd like to hope you have made some progress on your research.

 

[9/11-investigator]

A youtube video is not a published study, neither is a newspaper article - which is all you have -- so again, either you lied or are ignorant.

Here is a very clear video that illustrates what he did:

http://www.codoh.com/video/treblinka.mpg

He said that he send CD's of his scans to experts all over the world. I listened to the mp3 I mentioned earlier, it's from 2006 and he clearly stands behind his research. Later that year he made a presentation at the holocaust conference in Teheran.

Not that it is going to satisfy Trojan, nothing ever will for our self-professed 'Russian of orthodox background' (he is jewish).

Scholars and historians do not consider youtube to be a reputable source. Neither do I.

Youtube is a medium, not a message. Not that difficult is it. According to your logic all the youtube videos of Elie Wiesel are from now on not to be taken serious anymore, since they were published on.... Youtube!

Ridiculous reasoning.

 

[Moss]

'The Nazis said they did it'... I assume you mean the 6M version of the holocaust?

Then your wrong. Except for Hoess (who was tortured, just like KSM), as far as I am aware, all the Nazi big shots who were on the Nuremberg trial denied they knew anything about it.

'The victims said the Nazis did it'... you really have to work on your debating skills cause this statement is inherent ridiculous.

Otto Ohlendorf, Kurt Franz, Franz Stangl, Rudolf Hoess, Konrad Morgen and other nazis beg to differ. And where is your proof that Hoess was tortured?

 

[Thunder]

Otto Ohlendorf, Kurt Franz, Franz Stangl, Rudolf Hoess, Konrad Morgen and other nazis beg to differ. And where is your proof that Hoess was tortured?

well, clearly, he MUST have been tortured into confessing.

why else would he say the Holocaust happened?

 

[9/11-investigator]

so, um, when ya gonna debunk ALL the census data and population statistics that show a loss of at least 5 million Jews during WW2?

you've had a few months now. I'd like to hope you have made some progress on your research.

I already addressed that point. I deny that Jewish organizations have any means of establishing reliable how many Jews there are in the world. Not now and certainly not 130 years ago.

 

[headscratcher4]

Well, as we all know, they knew nothing about what was going on, but if they did they were only following orders.....

Note the double standard, btw, no proof that the likes of Hoess was tortured, but we're to assume that it must be true....Hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) pages of documentation, transcripts, photos, witness statements, architectural drawings, the camps themselves...but they are all contrived.

 

[Moss]

I am sorry to have to disappoint you, that story is treated here:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n1p-7_weir.html

Again, I am sorry.

Oh, sure, invoke Ockhams razor. Let me invoke it for you: why should we assume all those testimonies regarding the Shoah are fabricated? That is also an unneccessary multiplication of entities.
Have you read Victor Klemperer's Lingua Tertii Imperii? The nazis had an amazing tendency for doublespeak/newspeak and euphemisms. that does have an impact on the interpretation of that document and is not an unneccessary multiplication of entities.

 

[9/11-investigator]

"Soft Racialist Tendencies"?

Being a "Soft" racist is like being Half Pregnent.

It is indeed not possible to be half pregnant, but it is possible to have a little headache (from you for instance) or to be somewhat inclined towards anti-cementheadism.

I deal with 'minorities' of all sorts on a daily basis in a cordial manner. I am however somewhat uneasy about the prospect of becoming a minority in my own land, a sentiment I share with almost any sane person in the world, like for instance the Israelis.

Not that dudalb will ever complain about this Israeli racism, because in dudalbs eyes all people are equal but some people are more equal, for instance his own tribe.

It is this breathtaking hypocrisy that sooner or later always leads to uhhh... 'accidents', like the one we are discussing in this thread in Germany. If my instinct does not betray me the next 'accident' will happen in the US in the coming years.

 

[Trojan]

'The Nazis said they did it'... I assume you mean the 6M version of the holocaust?

Then your wrong. Except for Hoess (who was tortured, just like KSM), as far as I am aware, all the Nazi big shots who were on the Nuremberg trial denied they knew anything about it.

'The victims said the Nazis did it'... you really have to work on your debating skills cause this statement is inherent ridiculous.

Nazi's like Eichman and many defendant's throughout the British, US and Polish trials did admit guilt. The sum and total of war crimes trials is not limited to Nuremberg.

But of course you know this, you just seek to lie and hope not to get caught in it (again)

Why do you lie?

 

[Simon39759]

Soft racialist tendencies probably means being nice and polite to the deportees: 'Excuse me, Mr. untermensch, would you mind stepping in this shower for a few minutes, it that's not too much trouble?'.

 

[Trojan]

Here is a very clear video that illustrates what he did:

http://www.codoh.com/video/treblinka.mpg

He said that he send CD's of his scans to experts all over the world. I listened to the mp3 I mentioned earlier, it's from 2006 and he clearly stands behind his research. Later that year he made a presentation at the holocaust conference in Teheran.

No -- you said he published his study -- this is not a published study - stop with the lies.

Krege never published and he never sent his CD's for independent analysis - this is all part and parcel of the revisionist method. Simply throw mud against the wall and hope no one sees you for the Bullsh*t artist you are.

If you wish to establish Krege sent his CD's to experts over the world - show us the experts and show us what they said.

Bet you can't name one ...

Not that it is going to satisfy Trojan, nothing ever will for our self-professed 'Russian of orthodox background' (he is jewish).

Why is it that every one that calls you out to be a liar must be labled a Jew?

Youtube is a medium, not a message. Not that difficult is it. According to your logic all the youtube videos of Elie Wiesel are from now on not to be taken serious anymore, since they were published on.... Youtube!

Ridiculous reasoning.

It's ridiculous to ask an expert for his report? Since when? How does a scholar examine Krege's evidence if he does not produce it? Its been 10 years -- and not one iota of evidence.

he's a liar

you are a liar

Why do you lie?

 

[Thunder]

I already addressed that point. I deny that Jewish organizations have any means of establishing reliable how many Jews there are in the world. Not now and certainly not 130 years ago.

I am not talking about Jewish organizations lololol. I am talking about census and demographic data from these sites:

http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_408.html

can't prove them wrong? didn't think so.

these numbers PROVE the Holocaust happened.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Forget it. I admit I have soft racialist tendencies but I am anti-totalitarian hence not a neo-nazi. I like my Holland as it is but that is enough to be framed as a neo-nazi by Jews like you. Who cares, you are about to fall flat on your face anyway, as usual in history.

I'm a Dutch Jew, and I still think you're a nazi. My grandfather fought in the underground during the war and rounded up nazi sympathizers like yourself. Managed to blow up the balcony on Tuchinsky cinema gravely injuring a number of high ranking nazi officers. And managed to save a (gentile) child from the Prinsengragt canal in 1945, got the reward of it on my wall. So don't claim to be a true Dutchman, since you really aren't.

You inherited this hatred from your parents from bed time stories or is this misguided hatred based on fairytales done all by yourself?

Bet you cringed with the documentation presented during Netanyahu's speech at the UN. Plenty more to disprove your drivel...

I mean you did hear that a 9/11-commission member today told that his own report was based on lies?

Straw man or another pointless deflection? Where are all your stormfront buddies? They been kicked out?

 

[Trojan]

I already addressed that point. I deny that Jewish organizations have any means of establishing reliable how many Jews there are in the world. Not now and certainly not 130 years ago.

Would you accept Polish records? How about those from your own country? Was the Netherlands a Jewish state in the 1930's?

Why was your father deported in WWII? was he mistaken for a Jew? Is this the source of your misplaced hatred?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Is ridiculous to ask an expert for his report? Since when? How does a scholar examine Krege's evidence if he does not produce it? Its been 10 years -- and not one iota of evidence.

I made my statements from memory, I do remember seeing a website with a lot of these radar pictures on it. I cannot find it back, maybe he pulled it, I don't know.

Thought experiment: Trojan is at home, he does not feel well, at some point he faints. His relatives call or a doctor, he calls an ambulance. Trojan is put on a brancard and it driven into the emergency room of the hospital. An X-ray is being made and is glued on one of those light-emitting glass surfaces.

One picture.

One the basis of this one picture the surgeon takes the life-and-death decission to operate on Trojan.

At that moment a shock goes through our half dead friend... with the last bit of strength he feels within him he raises his head a bit and stammers.... 'no... please... no... do not operate... I... I... want a scientific report!!!'

End of thought experiment.

Morale: sometimes a single picture of a license plate of a car is enough to send to driver a speed ticket.

This ground penetrating radar equipment is routinely used by geo-physicists. You can discern a rat buried in 2 meters depth with it. You cannot miss ground disturbances from a mass grave that allegedly harbored 870,000 people.

Debunked.

 

[Moss]

This ground penetrating radar equipment is routinely used by geo-physicists. You can discern a rat buried in 2 meters depth with it. You cannot miss ground disturbances from a mass grave that allegedly harbored 870,000 people.

Debunked.

Somehow either you or Krege failed to mention that.

 

[Trojan]

I made my statements from memory, I do remember seeing a website with a lot of these radar pictures on it. I cannot find it back, maybe he pulled it, I don't know.

Thought experiment: Trojan is at home, he does not feel well, at some point he faints. His relatives call or a doctor, he calls an ambulance. Trojan is put on a brancard and it driven into the emergency room of the hospital. An X-ray is being made and is glued on one of those light-emitting glass surfaces.

One picture.

One the basis of this one picture the surgeon takes the life-and-death decission to operate on Trojan.

At that moment a shock goes through our half dead friend... with the last bit of strength he feels within him he raises his head a bit and stammers.... 'no... please... no... do not operate... I... I... want a scientific report!!!'

Stupid analogy - you wish to compare an x-ray of a person to a proposed scientific study of a complete camp, over several hundred yards.

Fail

End of thought experiment.

When did it begin?

This ground penetrating radar equipment is routinely used by geo-physicists. You can discern a rat buried in 2 meters depth with it. You cannot miss ground disturbances from a mass grave that allegedly harbored 870,000 people.

Debunked.

Krege is an engineer - he is not a geo-physicist.

He has not shown that he is qualified - which is part and parcel of why he must publish a study. He must show that he or someone he consulted is qualified to take the scans and interpret the scans.

Why did you lie about the study?

 

[BadBoy]

Edited by Tricky: 

Edited for rule 12.

 

[headscratcher4]

9/11 made his statement from memory. We are supposed to accept that as fact and that he is honestly reporting what he remembers ("maybe he pulled it..." indeed), while at the same time he pooh-poohs the memory and testimony of Nazi victems. Interesting intellectual acrobatics that.