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Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

Heres more about the pro Chavez students.

Police and national guard troops in recent weeks have dispersed a number of the marches and demonstrations with tear gas, while pro-Chávez students have showed up at campus political meetings shouting out anti-Chávez students as "fascists." Says Alberto Ramirez, 25, a Chavista student at a Caracas education college: "We're tired of standing by and tolerating lies about the revolution by children of the rich."

The irony is that the pro-Chávez student forces still look small in comparison. That paradox is most visible at sites like the University of the Andes in the western city of Merida. In generations past, the school was an incubator for many of the Marxists who now occupy Chávez's government, including Chávez's older brother Adan. But this past week it was the setting for one of many scenes of violent standoffs between anti-Chávez students and the national guard.
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From the link again because you could not be bothered to read it.

same pro Chavez guy.

If you're asking me if we're the same size as the opposition movement inside the university, we're not the same,” said Gonzalez. “That's inside. Outside, we're the majority.”
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You should just admit you got it wrong. It doesn't hurt.
 
Trying to get back on OP again knowing that this was unanswered previously.

Chavez did indeed send in the military vehicles and soldiers to take over private firms then?

Very democratic. Change the laws one day, steal stuff the next.

Owe someone billions, just dont bother paying it and take over the company assets and declare it nationalised. Offer shares in the oil company who cannot pay their bills instead.

Childlike empress like to comment on this?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yes, i got it wrong but you aren't reading your links either. The guy is a girl. ;) And she's talking about her university.
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Nit pick. I knew it was a girl, unlike you I read the piece. Guy is a figure of speech (like you used "he").

Did you read the other article? No, of course you did not.

But his nemesis in that plebiscite wasn't Venezuela's feckless political opposition. It was a broad and unexpected university-student movement that took to the streets, mobilized the victorious "no" vote and flummoxed Chávez.
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The irony is that the pro-Chávez student forces still look small in comparison. That paradox is most visible at sites like the University of the Andes in the western city of Merida. In generations past, the school was an incubator for many of the Marxists who now occupy Chávez's government, including Chávez's older brother Adan. But this past week it was the setting for one of many scenes of violent standoffs between anti-Chávez students and the national guard.
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Now I am quite open to you proving my claim wrong by proving my links and evidence is not reflective of the state wide view amongst students. You know you are wrong though like on the mayor stuff. I suggest getting back to the OP.

See #677.
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That was not a comment on the question I posed. It was a dodge.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
That's all i can do as long as you only post nebulous accusations that can't be checked. You are just an anonymous guy on the internet posting from the office of an unnamed oil company. It's worth nothing funk and it only hurts your argument, because people see that YOU have an axe to grind - you are biased, to use your favorite word.

So bring details to the table or stop mentioning it - that's my advice. I for one am certainly not taking your word for anything.
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They are not nebulous. Is it correct to send in the army and military vehicles to take over private companies and appropriate their asets and goods?

You have been watching the developments with the service companies haven't you? I have been railing against Chavez from bfore he was owe my company (not an oil company BTW) that money. Try again.

Heres the figure for you.

Approx 100 million in the first 6 months this year have been written off as doubtful accounts due to the situation with the Chavez Oil goons.

Money that their own financial statements admit they are owed to these companies. Billions and billions. Or are the venezuela state oil company lying about how much they are owe to service companies?
 
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However, this is OT and not relevant to the money I am talking about. Try again.

I am glad the Chavez supporters approve of the use of military vehicles and army personel to nationalize service companies.

I wonder what would happen if the ex pres of the USA did something similar?
 
funk de fino said:
That smiley would have been even better if I could have accessed your link. Blocked here.

You do realise that students are, in the main, in opposition to Chavez? They do not speak that way because the US pay them. They do it for free.
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what is the source of your numbers?
 
Peace loving Venezuela:

The Russian government Monday extended $2.2 billion in credit to Venezuela to finance arms purchases, including 92 Soviet-era T-72 tanks and short-range missiles with a reach of 55 miles (90 kilometers).
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez also said his nation will purchase an anti-aircraft weapons system with a range of 185 miles (300 kilometers).

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Chavez said in Tehran last week that the Iranian government would help Venezuela develop nuclear technology.

In exchange, Venezuela has offered to export gasoline to Iran, which would give Tehran an out if Western nations impose petroleum sanctions over Iran's nuclear program. Senior administration officials say Venezuela's attempt at "sanctions busting" is alarming.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/09/16/us.venezuela.arms/index.html

:rolleyes:
 
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Pardalis said:
It's a peace keeping country.

Let's just wait and see what Venezuela does with its armament, and in whose hands it ends up.
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yeah who knows, maybe they end up making peacekeeping wars like you :rolleyes:
 
DC said:
yeah who knows, maybe they end up making peacekeeping wars like you :rolleyes:
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They already sent the military against the service companies. Send in the army to steal other people assets. Wonder what would have happened if the venezuelan employees had resisted?

When did Canada last mobilize its military against its own citizens?
 
Good interview with Chavez by Greg Grandin in The Nation.

[...] GG: Do you think it ironic that the Right in the US now uses the same tactics and rhetoric to attack Obama that the Venezuelan right uses against your government? Did you follow what happened just two weeks ago, with Obama's planned address to schoolchildren, when they attacked him in terms very similar to the criticism used against your education reform?

HC: Ah, yes, I read about that, that it was socialist indoctrination.

GG: Exactly.

HC: If only it were socialism! I believe they are scared. And this fear is dangerous. Because independent of whatever reasoned criticism we might have of Obama--such as that concerning the Fourth Fleet, which is an effort to make his actions be coherent with his words--here within the United States, the recalcitrant right is scared. And they hate him. First, because he is black...

GG: This is a debate now within the United States...

HC: Jimmy Carter is saying it. And hopefully Obama won't be assassinated because of it. But Obama has also taken up the theme of social reform almost as if it were a point of honor, because he made the pledge during the campaign. And also, as Obama knows, out of necessity. Everyday there is more poverty in the United States, everyday there is more uncared-for people who don't have medicine, doctors, or even education. This country is eating itself from the inside. What's happening to the American, how do you say it, Dream [in English]. I believe in the American Dream, but the dream of Martin Luther King Jr., not the dream of consumerism, unbridled capitalism or individualism, that craziness, that's not a dream it's a nightmare. Now, the recalcitrant right attacks Obama hard, calling him a socialist...

GG: Even a Nazi.

HC: Yes, a Nazi! When we met in Trinidad and shook hands, the right roasted him here for doing so: "Chávez! Why are you greeting Chávez?!" Imagine the craziness just for saying hello. It's irrational. The right here is scared that Obama is awakening a popular current in the people of the US, and they are trying to stop it. Where it is going to wind up, who knows? But I have a question, where is the US people? Where are the people, when their leader tries to propose something in benefit of the people? The people need to go out into the streets, not just to vote but to passionately protest, to support the president, so he can fulfill his promise. Where are the people?

GG: It is the right that is in the street.

HC: Yes, the right has taken over the street. There is much to do. Those who represent progressive thought--and I include you--need to know that without the people, there is no democracy. The people of the United States need to wake up, wake up and help construct a new country, a great nation, a true democracy. Obama can be an opportunity, and you need to support him with great force, in order to contain those that ferociously oppose whatever change. Like in Honduras. It's the same situation. The progressive community of the United States needs to support Obama to achieve change, and then it has to demand more change, and more change, and more change. [...]
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Assembly elections are upcoming.

Here's an interesting interview with Gregory Wilpert - the man behind venezuelanalysis.com and according to funk a loonie sponsored by chavistas -, who analyzes the situation for us.

 
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