Merged National Geographic Special - "9/11 Science and Conspiracy" Debunks Thermite Myth

[MikeW]

the PHD you supplied is an environmental scientist sent there to see about the HEALTH issues. She is NOT qualified to tell you, me or anyone if the molten metal she sees is steel or NOT. She can't tell.

She's not a first-hand witness, either. I emailed Geyh to ask her about the reports, and she said: "I personally saw open fires, glowing and twisted I-beams. I was told, but do not remember by whom, that the workers were finding molten steel."

 

[kylebisme]

Steel engine block? Try again.

My bad, steel body.

You can't claim to be "agnostic" if you're trying to argue in favor of thermite and controlled demolition.

I'm only arguing in favor of the possibility of thermite, not claiming to have the truth if it was used or not. As for controlled demolition by some means, yes. Note I didn't claim to be agnostic though, only more of a doubter opposed to truther.

 

[Pardalis]

"Denier" is more an appropriate then.

 

[WildCat]

I'm only arguing in favor of the possibility of thermite, not claiming to have the truth if it was used or not. As for controlled demolition by some means, yes. Note I didn't claim to be agnostic though, only more of a doubter opposed to truther.

Evidence kyle, got any? We know it can't be thermite, because thermite can't cut sideways. We know it wasn't explosives, because we hear none on the many videos of the event. What's next, Judy Wood's space beam?

So far the only things you've brought to the table are arguments from ignorance typical of truthers, and speculation based on nothing more than your political beliefs.

So where's the evidence kyle?

 

[kylebisme]

Evidence kyle, got any?

The free fall of builidng 7 is the most flagrant.

We know it can't be thermite, because thermite can't cut sideways.

Again, it can cut whatever direction you want it to when properly directed.

We know it wasn't explosives, because we hear none on the many videos of the event.

I'm not sure of any videos recording sounds of explosions off hand, but I know many people reported hearing as much, a quick Google search turns up this video compilation.

So far the only things you've brought to the table are arguments from ignorance typical of truthers, and speculation based on nothing more than your political beliefs.

So where's the evidence kyle?

Where is the evidence you based your claim about my political beliefs on? Perhaps you were projecting here?

Ah, here is a video catching the sound of an explosion found though the related videos of the one I linked above.

 

[Drudgewire]

Free fall, thermite goes however you want it, and youtube evidence all in the same post?

Oh yeah, that's an ignore.

 

[Pardalis]

The free fall of builidng 7 is the most flagrant.

Nah, you're not a truther.

 

[kylebisme]

Free fall, thermite goes however you want it, and youtube evidence all in the same post?

How much less than free fall are you suggesting building 7 achieved?

What would prevent one from engineering a charge to direct thermite whatever direction you want?

Are news clips somehow corrupted by being posted on YouTube?

 

[The Big Dog]

Again, it can cut whatever direction you want it to when properly directed.

Ah, here is a video catching the sound of an explosion found though the related videos of the one I linked above.

Really? explain for the class just how you properly direct thermite horizontally.

In the mean time, I guess we will see if that "explosion" video was the one that was faked by another scumbag truther.

You are aware that truthers lie all the time aren't you?

 

[WildCat]

The free fall of builidng 7 is the most flagrant.

What "free fall"?

Again, it can cut whatever direction you want it to when properly directed.

Prove it. Until you do so, no, it can't. And you truthers have been trying for years to do so.

I'm not sure of any videos recording sounds of explosions off hand, but I know many people reported hearing as much, a quick Google search turns up this video compilation.

Explosions powerful enough to cut columns would be heard for miles around. They would have been picked up by every camcorder videotaping the event, and everyone in the vicinity would have heard them. Nothing in your linlks describes such loud explosions, and no recording has them on it. In fact, this is why Jones invented his thermite story, because he had to account for a lack of explosions on the tapes. So once again you fail to provide any evidence.

Here's what actual column-cutting explosives sound like. Note that this video was taken from several blocks away and with a noisy helicopter flying nearby. And yet the explosives are still the loudest sound on the tape:



Hear anything like that on any recording from 9/11 kyle? No? Then we can rule out column-cutting explosives.

Where is the evidence you based your claim about my political beliefs on? Perhaps you were projecting here?

Sorry, was confusing you for paulheinze.

Ah, here is a video catching the sound of an explosion found though the related videos of the one I linked above.

Truther fake. The man is reacting to the fireman telling him to leave. The "explosion" was dubbed in by truthers. And even more damning is this is obviously recorded after the towers fell. Notice all the dust and debris?

 

[beachnut]

The free fall of builidng 7 is the most flagrant.
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Not free fall it took over 15 seconds to collapse. Why do you regurgitate lies for liars? Watergate was a conspiracy, and 911 was a conspiracy to murder by 19 terrorists, your story is a nut case moronic delusion - not true.

... Again, it can cut whatever direction you want it to when properly directed. ...

Thermite? Where is the iron from the thermite reaction? The steel was studied there is zero thermite product; you know the iron from the reaction? You have been mislead and due to gullibility or ignorance you support delusions.

... I'm not sure of any videos recording sounds of explosions off hand, but I know many people reported hearing as much, a quick Google search turns up this video compilation. ...

Not a single sound reported by people was due to explosives and since thermite burns slow there were no thermite explosions. Some of the sounds were reported like explosions were bodies hitting the ground, people jumping from the fire that was too hot to stand. Your ideas on 911 are pathetic as brave people whose skin was burning jumped to make the noises you say are explosioins from CD of the WTC because you don't understand physics and science of fire. Ignorance on your part has you repeating the lies of other people.

... Where is the evidence you based your claim about my political beliefs on? Perhaps you were projecting here? ...

Okay, you have no political beliefs you just repeat dirt dumb delusions of other people who are stupid on 911 issues and make up lies. Cool, you don't have to have political beliefs to mess up everything about 911 with failed opinions, hearsay, lies and fantasy.

... Ah, here is a video catching the sound of an explosion found though the related videos of the one I linked above.

What time was that sound? What is it related to? Looks like you found a video with a sound on it. Wow! Now what will you do with a video which you have no idea where it was, no idea what time it was, and no idea what the sound is. Thermite goes sizzle, so you proved that was not thermite. Was the sound fake? Is this your best effort, 8 years too late? Your ideas remind me of Bigfoot believers; lots of ideas but no evidence.

 

[kylebisme]

Really? explain for the class just how you properly direct thermite horizontally.

Pack it into a shaped charge and igniting it just prior to a secondary explosive which blasts it in the direction you want.

Prove it. Until you do so, no, it can't. And you truthers have been trying for years to do so.

Sure, and it was impossible to launch a rocket into space until we did it, eh?

Explosions powerful enough to cut columns would be heard for miles around.

The ones which are commonly used would be, but that does nothing to exclude the possibility of ones that wouldn't.

Truther fake. The man is reacting to the fireman telling him to leave. The "explosion" was dubbed in by truthers. And even more damning is this is obviously recorded after the towers fell. Notice all the dust and debris?

That doesn't look like the reaction of a man being told to leave to me, and the what the heck is that comment fits the context of an explosion too. I did notice the dust, but I also know one tower fell before the other. Granted, I'm in no position to claim the video is legitimate, but simply posted in response to the claim that there no sounds of explosions in any videos.

 

[beachnut]

... Again, please do not mistake my statements to mean more than they do. I am not claiming the government planned 9/11, there were no-planes, or any other such crackpottery. I am simply pointing out the the physical evidence of destruction of the towers is not consistent with the official story of progressive collapse, but rather is indicative of some means of controlled demolition. Also, while I would prefer to sick to strict discussion of the available evidence, I would be willing to provide a plausible theory as to how the buildings could have become rigged to blow, if others insist.

You are a funny person. You say you don't bring crack-pottery, but then you say the WTC collapse is not right.

Gee whiz, there is not one structural engineer in the world who can building high-rise buildings who agrees with your delusions on 911. The WTC towers feel as expected after impacts 7 to 11 times greater than design, and massive fires not fought! Guess you should have take some engineering courses over the past 8 years instead of perfecting belief in nut case ideas you fail to see are pure crack-pottery. Your ignorance of engineering is not an excuse to spew lies on the Internet.

So to back what engineers would say about WTC towers on 911 I bring you the number one expert on the WTC...

Robertson said, “the collapse mechanism of the trade center, is as we anticipated it would be, when we first designed it”

Oops, you are wrong for many reasons and there is no hope you will be building high-rise buildings or making rational statements on the collapse of the WTC towers due to your own ignorance, lack of knowledge, zero physics, zero engineering, and your propensity to believe lies of others who are not qualified to build an outhouse let alone 110 story buildings.

You are funny as you do present crack-pottery as you claim otherwise. It is all relative.

The physical evidence of the collapse proves it was gravity driven.

It has been 8 years since the WTC tower collapsed. If I was thinking they got it wrong I would have gone to college and earned a degree in engineering. What is your excuse for just repeating the failed ideas of nut cases on 911? You could have earned a PhD by now, but you share your delusions on the collapse with us. You can still earn a degree in engineering the 911 truth movement is like Bigfoot and will never go away as long as there are people like you who share their expert common sense approach which Einstein said...

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. ...

 

[kylebisme]

Not free fall it took over 15 seconds to collapse.

Perhaps total, but I am refering to it achiving free fall during the collapse, as NIST reports:

Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

Do you dispute that?

Thermite? Where is the iron from the thermite reaction? The steel was studied there is zero thermite product; you know the iron from the reaction?.

I know the vast majority of the rubble was hauled off without investigation.

Thermite goes sizzle, so you proved that was not thermite.

Sure, because if thermite was use, explosives couldn't have been. It's got be only one or the other, and can't be a combination of the two, eh?

 

[BigAl]

Pack it into a shaped charge and igniting it just prior to a secondary explosive which blasts it in the direction you want.

Here's 1,000 pounds of thermite that makes a mess but barely cuts through the sheet metal of a SUV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPAYZMzGMwQ​

It takes 2 pounds of any kind of thermite to melt one pound of steel. The beams at WTC were hundreds of pounds per running foot. Do the math.

Burning thermite that isn't in DIRECT contact with steel is wasted. It accomplishes nothing. Nobody knows how to keep burning thermite in direct contact with the place on a big beam that has to be melted. The primary case is that the termite burns at an uncontrolled rate and can't be kept close to the unmelted steel.

 

[twinstead]

Pack it into a shaped charge and igniting it just prior to a secondary explosive which blasts it in the direction you want.

I'm sure you can provide an example of this even being possible?

Sure, and it was impossible to launch a rocket into space until we did it, eh?

What?

The ones which are commonly used would be, but that does nothing to exclude the possibility of ones that wouldn't.

Yea. Super secret hushaboom^tm. I'm sure those fiends have access to all sorts of exotic, advanced stuff, don't they. Got an example of any?

That doesn't look like the reaction of a man being told to leave to me, and the what the heck is that comment fits the context of an explosion too. I did notice the dust, but I also know one tower fell before the other. Granted, I'm in no position to claim the video is legitimate, but simply posted in response to the claim that there no sounds of explosions in any videos.

You are in no position to claim the video is legitimate, nor are you in any position to know what reaction the man should have had. I think submitting a faked video in response to a claim that no CD explosions were captured on video is a little odd, but that's just me. Wildcat should, of course, have specified that no CD explosions were heard on any non-faked videos, I suppose. His bad.

 

[TruthersLie]

My bad, steel body.

Your bad is correct. The engine was aluminum as was the body. The only part on that car that was steel was the steel body frame and the axels.

So what were you trying to prove again? That thermite could melt aluminum? duh.

 

[kylebisme]

You are a funny person. You say you don't bring crack-pottery, but then you say the WTC collapse is not right.

I note that you skipped clean over the my comments explaining what wasn't right and went straight for the condensation and appeals to authority.

 

[WildCat]

Pack it into a shaped charge and igniting it just prior to a secondary explosive which blasts it in the direction you want.

A shaped charge of thermite?

Sure, and it was impossible to launch a rocket into space until we did it, eh?

Nope.

The ones which are commonly used would be, but that does nothing to exclude the possibility of ones that wouldn't.

Common or uncommon, it doesn't matter. If it's powerful enough to cut a column it's going to make an extremely loud boom. The loudness of the sound is in direct proportion to the force of the explosive. There is no way around this fact.

That doesn't look like the reaction of a man being told to leave to me, and the what the heck is that comment fits the context of an explosion too. I did notice the dust, but I also know one tower fell before the other. Granted, I'm in no position to claim the video is legitimate, but simply posted in response to the claim that there no sounds of explosions in any videos.

It's faked. Deal with it. The audio gives it away.

 

[kylebisme]

The engine was aluminum as was the body.

The body is steel.