Merged National Geographic Special - "9/11 Science and Conspiracy" Debunks Thermite Myth

kylebisme said:
Also, I don't see why you are calling me a turther when it seems you are the one who thinks he has all the answers here.
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What he "has" is simply the commonly-accepted narrative of what happened that day, agreed upon by the vast majority of experts from around the world and supported by everything from major university studies to building code changes as a direct result of the studies as to how the WTC collapsed.

You disagree. You must either think you and the tiny cult you represent have found something all those experts missed, or that all the experts who contributed to the many formal studies and investigations of 9/11 are idiots, shills, or in on it.

Now, who exactly thinks he has all the answers here?
 
Pardalis said:
You make 30 posts in one day, on the day of september 11, and you don't want us to think you're a truther? :rolleyes:

Please, this is a skeptics, forum.
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Then please, be a skeptic, and don't conflate correlations to derive causation.
 
twinstead said:
What he "has" is simply the commonly-accepted narrative of what happened that day, agreed upon by the vast majority of experts from around the world and supported by everything from major university studies to building code changes as a direct result of the studies as to how the WTC collapsed.

You disagree. You must either think you and the tiny cult you represent have found something all those experts missed, or that all the experts who contributed to the many formal studies and investigations of 9/11 are idiots, shills, or in on it.

Now, who exactly thinks he has all the answers here?
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Can you substantiate your claim that the vast majority of experts from around the world agreed to the official story? I doubt most have bothered to look into it.

As for the commonly-accepted, if I wanted to follow that I'd believe in demons and miracles and other such nonsense.
 
kylebisme said:
I've never heard of the Truthburh project before now, but I'm curious how you figure a steel column would resist what a steel engine block can't? Did you even watch the video?
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Yes. Your problem is that thermite burns down, not sideways. This is why no truther, or anyone else for that matter, has been able to cut a steel column using thermite. Here's the Truthburn epic fail, where truthers tried to cut a steel column with thermite: http://911truthburn.blogspot.com/

Maybe you could do it kyle? When will you be performing your experiment?

Also, I don't see why you are calling me a turther when it seems you are the one who thinks he has all the answers here.
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"Truthers" is what you guys call yourselves. I could use the more accurate terms fantasists, liars, frauds, snake-oil salesmen, charlatans, or con artists if you'd prefer.
 
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kylebisme said:
One can visually get a reasonable approximation of the temperature by intensity of the light emitted, with the temperatures required to melt steel being unmistakably brilliant.


I presented a hypothetical while identifying it as such, and you are asking for citations and accusing me of fabrication? If you can't follow the conversation along well enough to aviod that, I'll just leave it at here.
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One can see molten metal, and realize it is molten metal. You provided a PHD in health sciences as your sources for molten steel. Try again. Still waiting for those citations which say molten steel was there.

You are the one making a BS claim about how the towers could have been rigged with hundreds of explosives in the interest of public safety from some super duper secret public safety policy.

Now since you are just pulling stuff out of your rear, provide a citation to support your bs conclusions or admit they are just wild fantasies with no support.
 
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Originally Posted by kylebisme
I've never heard of the Truthburh project before now, but I'm curious how you figure a steel column would resist what a steel engine block can't? Did you even watch the video?
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Steel engine block? Try again. The car is an old Puegeot. They call it a "huge lump of metal." Most of their engine blocks are aluminum with lots of open spaces.

And the major difference is that the thermite in the brainiac episode is BURNING STRAIGHT DOWN. Everyone knows that thermite can be used to cut vertically through steel plates and can be used to weld steel railroad rails. Yet so far no one has been able to demonstrate thermite cutting horizontally or obliquely through steel beams.

Again and again... why can't you do even 5 minutes of REAL research? it isn't that hard. Investigoogling can only take you so far.

ETA: of course mythbusters also took thermite to a car... here is what that looked like


OR we have this

How exactly did that steel beam manage to withstand the thermite... oh my... inside jobby job.
 
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Electric companies have detailed maps showing the locations of all their underground cables. Laws require anyone digging near power company easements to consult with these maps prior to digging, for obvious reasons.

Now kyle is here claiming there were secret explosives planted throughout some of the largest office buildings in the world, and no one knew about it. And they were willing to take the risk that no contractor would discover these explosives during an office remodel? Or set them off accidentally?

And then the secret cabal who planted the explosives "for safety reasons" set them off while hundreds of people were still inside the buildings? And didn't warn anyone?

It's absurd.
 
WildCat said:
Yes. Your problem is that thermite burns down, not sideways.
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Thermite burns, gravity directs it down, and the right engineering can direct it sideways.

WildCat said:
"Truthers" is what you guys call yourselves. I could use the more accurate terms fantasists, liars, frauds, snake-oil salesmen, charlatans, or con artists if you'd prefer.
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I don't call myself a truther, I call the "Bush did it" crew and no-planers and such truthers, along with those of your who feverishly cling to the official conspiracy theory with belligerence and condescension. I'm more of a doubter myself.
 
You can't claim to be "agnostic" if you're trying to argue in favor of thermite and controlled demolition.
 
TruthersLie said:
One can see molten metal, and realize it is molten metal.
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And one can see it is hot enough to have melt steel, assuming one doesn't live under a rock.
TruthersLie said:
You provided a PHD in health sciences as your sources for molten steel. Try again. Still waiting for those citations which say molten steel was there.
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Are you going to deny any report other than that of a metallurgist? Does your argument come down to "if a metallurgist didn't see it, it didn't happen"?
 
kylebisme said:
And one can see it is hot enough to have melt steel, assuming one doesn't live under a rock.

Are you going to deny any report other than that of a metallurgist? Does your argument come down to "if a metallurgist didn't see it, it didn't happen"?
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There is no known science that can explain the energies needed to create "molten steel in the pile" for the days and weeks as is alleged.

There is no physical evidence that any such thing happened.

there is no first-hand "I saw" for molten steel in the that can't be better explained by metaphor and hyperbole given the above two points.
 
kylebisme said:
Thermite burns, gravity directs it down, and the right engineering can direct it sideways.
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Please show us some. I'd love to see any columns cut by thermite horizontally or obliquely.

it should be easy to find. Please find just one video of thermite cutting horizontally or obliquely through steel beams.

I don't call myself a truther, I call the "Bush did it" crew and no-planers and such truthers, along with those of your who feverishly cling to the official conspiracy theory with belligerence and condescension. I'm more of a doubter myself.
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Oh you most definately are a twoof. You have proved it conclusively. Thank you for playing.

Still waiting for those citaitons showing molten steel.
still waiting for any citation showing any building anywhere in the world that is wired with explosives for "public safety."
 
kylebisme said:
Thermite burns, gravity directs it down, and the right engineering can direct it sideways.
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To say "The right engineering" is referred to handwaving where I come from. It might be possible but it didn't happen at WTC on or before 9/11.

To cut any of the beams in a WTC tower, "The right engineering" would be immense ceramics molds that would take lots of time and work to prepare and be very visible to everyone. Wen ignited, would be visible as the worlds biggest fireworks show and would leave tons of obvious slag in the pile, afterwords.

None of that happened.
 
kylebisme said:
And one can see it is hot enough to have melt steel, assuming one doesn't live under a rock.

Are you going to deny any report other than that of a metallurgist? Does your argument come down to "if a metallurgist didn't see it, it didn't happen"?
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ROFLMAO.

I love twoofs. Data mine quotes which do NOT support your conclusions. Take peoples words and twist them.

the PHD you supplied is an environmental scientist sent there to see about the HEALTH issues. She is NOT qualified to tell you, me or anyone if the molten metal she sees is steel or NOT. She can't tell.

You asked for molten metals which are under the melting temps reported by nist. I gave you videos of 5 of the 10. Shall we continue?

If you are making the claim of molten steel, then you need to provide the citaiton to support the claim. Some average firefighter cannot determine the difference between steel, iron or other metals. Same with a phd for environmental science. You claim it, then prove it. A scientific study would be good, a metallurgist would be great, a lump of molten steel.

All of those would be fantastic.

datamined quotes are BS, and a favorite of twoofs. Do 5 minutes of REAL research. Please. I'm begging you.
 
kylebisme said:
And one can see it is hot enough to have melt steel, assuming one doesn't live under a rock.
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That thermite can melt steel? Don't be dense. Of course it can. When burning straight down (which it does).

But what did SHE SEE. she says molten steel. Ok. Is she qualified to tell you what molten steel looks like? Yes or no?

IF she saw molten steel at GZ, then dozens of others must have. There must be dozens of (if not hundreds)images showing molten steel.

Now, in the fires in the piles there would be molten aluminum, brass, bronze, tin, cobalt, silver and zinc. (which I showed you videos of them molten).

A lot of people mix up steel with metal. Happens all the time to people who are NOT qualified to talk about the differences.

Are you going to deny any report other than that of a metallurgist? Does your argument come down to "if a metallurgist didn't see it, it didn't happen"?
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Not at all. I"m going to tell you that there are 10 metals that are often used in office equipment which all melt under 1100C. Can you eliminate ANY of them from the piles to point to molten steel? Yes or no?
 
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