Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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joobz said:
They can get another job. Are you claiming they can't?


No. it's nonsense argument. We have homeless people today. Using your reasoning, why are you not out advocating the ensalvement of the homeless population?


Horrible. you are honestly defending beating people. WOW.


Well, yes. Unless you think the women and children were really "POWs".


So why don't we enslave POWs today? Are you advocating the enslavement of POWs now as well? Hell, using your reasoning, the ENTIRE nation of Iraq should be US slaves. Honestly DOC, you are really starting to frighten me.

BTW, if an enemy combatant poses a risk to you, you keep him a prisoner not a slave.

false. What you advocate is bronze age immorality and I find it reprehensible.
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Joobz you keep talking about today, today -- we're not talking about today, we're talking about biblical times which was a whole different pre-industrial age culture with no governmental safety net to fall back on. Back then if you didn't work you didn't eat. That's not the case today.
 
DOC said:
Joobz you keep talking about today, today -- we're not talking about today, we're talking about biblical times which was a whole different pre-industrial age culture with no governmental safety net to fall back on. Back then if you didn't work you didn't eat. That's not the case today.
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You keep talking about the bible as though it's eternal. As such, what was good then, should be good now.

If you accept the idea that the bible represents the archaic opinions and beliefs of 2000+ years ago, then fine. I agree. But then, why are you still against gay rights? Why do you think Jesus represents the "most moral teaching ever" when he condoned beating slaves?

You don't get to have it both ways. If you accept the relativist view point, then you admit the bible is substantially flawed as a moral text.

If you beleive the bible is the most moral teaching ever, than you must also advocate the policies used then for today. There really isn't a middle ground on this.

You make many excuses for the shortcomings of god (explaining that it was just that time). Well, why couldn't god teach the better way. Why didn't god in the bible advocate democracy instead of monarchy? Why didn't god denounce slavery instead of using it as an example of morality? Why didn't god explain the idea of GERM THEORY to protect people from sicknesses?
 
DOC said:
Joobz you keep talking about today, today -- we're not talking about today, we're talking about biblical times which was a whole different pre-industrial age culture with no governmental safety net to fall back on. Back then if you didn't work you didn't eat. That's not the case today.
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Why weren't they simply paid wages? They did have employment back then, didn't they?
 
DOC said:
He gave them a greater gift then freeing them militarily in the temporal, He offered the freeing of their souls and spirits and offered them the gift of eternal life. But many Jews at that time and still today haven't accepted the free gift. But this free gift is still available to the Jews.
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right, so he didn't fulfill the prophecies that identify the Messiah then did he, wow you actually agreed with me

what youre saying is akin to saying that someone is a sailor because he flies a news helicopter

fail

btw you should be aware of Dani El, by now, what do you think of his prediction that SF is going to be obliterated by god on passover ?
any truth to that ?
 
joobz said:
You make many excuses for the shortcomings of god (explaining that it was just that time). Well, why couldn't god teach the better way. Why didn't god in the bible advocate democracy instead of monarchy? Why didn't god denounce slavery instead of using it as an example of morality? Why didn't god explain the idea of GERM THEORY to protect people from sicknesses?
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the idea of a welfare system set up by god scares the crap out of me
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it'd be just like the welfare system he set up for everyone but noah or the welfare system he instigated at sodom and gomorrah
 
Lothian said:
but only 144,000.
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There are several interpretations for the 144,000 but Jesus said go into "all" the world and preach the gospel to "every" creature. He didn't say go and preach to 144,000 only.
 
DOC said:
He gave them a greater gift then freeing them militarily in the temporal, He offered the freeing of their souls and spirits and offered them the gift of eternal life. But many Jews at that time and still today haven't accepted the free gift. But this free gift is still available to the Jews.
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Translation:

God works in mysterious ways that are beyond our human understanding
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DOC said:
Moss said:
I wonder why the truth of the NT can be easily disputed and challenged and done away with if god is omnipotent. I mean, omnipotence should mean that you are able to inspire people to write a text that is selfevidently true.And not that incongruous ramshackle story which seems to contradict archeological and historiographic findings.
Can't God inspire people to get the facts straight?
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They did get the facts straight in the NT. Any perceived contradictions have all been explained. Name a perceived contradiction in the New Testament and I should be able to find a website that explains it.
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Ok, let's re-state the question: "I wonder why the truth of the NT can be easily disputed and challenged and done away with if god is omnipotent. I mean, omnipotence should mean that you are able to inspire people to write a text that is self-evidently true.And not that incongruous ramshackle story which often seems to contradict archeological and historiographic findings.
Can't God inspire people to get all the facts straight rather than requiring torturous and contrived and very unconvincing apologetics?
For example, how could there three apparently conflicting account of the discovery of the empty tombs. I know that apologetics just mentions that all of the three account are true, they are just incomplete pieces of a long series of events but, really, couldn't God inspire the writers with the full story?
Also, were there a boy there? Or two men? Or an angel? Or two? Is it that the writers can't count to two? Or that they'd mistake a boy for an angel? Were the angels playing peek-a-boo, appearing only to some witnesses? Whatever explanation you can give seems pretty contrived, not to mention that it really seems self-defeating for God to set up the whole process so that to be unconvincing. Surely, there is a simpler, more believable explanation: it is made up.


DOC said:
With lashes OK they hurt for 10 minutes and are sore for a few days and learn their lesson.
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What the ****? You have no idea what you are talking about and you are terribly insulting for people that actually suffered through this kind of torture.
That you'd so trivialize this ordeal to try and make a cheap and retarded point is really insulting.
 
DOC said:
With lashes OK they hurt for 10 minutes and are sore for a few days and learn their lesson. Then they go to their residence and have food and shelter. Your way they could die of starvation or freeze at night or have to rob to survive.
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Your morality is truly evil.
 
DOC said:
They did get the facts straight in the NT. Any perceived contradictions have all been explained. Name a perceived contradiction in the New Testament and I should be able to find a website that explains it.
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The whole census stuff with Luke? We disproved that. And if the NT gets cloudy and messy with such simple but important stuff, why should we believe anything at all that is written inside it?
 
DOC said:
They did get the facts straight in the NT. Any perceived contradictions have all been explained. Name a perceived contradiction in the New Testament and I should be able to find a website that explains it.
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Have you ever thought about a career in stand-up?
 
DOC said:
What verse?
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I don't think the others are sent to hell, but they certainly aren't going to enjoy the few months after Jesus' return.

Revelation 7 describes who are "sealed" (and there are only 144,000 of them, all male, all Jews, ETA: and all virgins). Revelation 9:4-5 describes what happens to other men.

I guess women are given a free pass. :shrug:
 
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Hokulele said:
I don't think the others are sent to hell, but they certainly aren't going to enjoy the few months after Jesus' return.

Revelation 7 describes who are "sealed" (and there are only 144,000 of them, all male, all Jews). Revelation 9:4-5 describes what happens to other men.

I guess women are given a free pass. :shrug:
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Silly Hoku; she believes that women have souls to be of concern for the almighty...
 
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