Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Yes, it's all love your neighbor, love your enemy Jesus' fault. Using your rationale, Watergate is the fault of the founding fathers who created the office of the President.
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Well, the founding fathers didn't claim the system was perfect and that was why they included an amendment process into the consitituion. If Christianity did something similar, I would have much less a problem with it.


Your post implied that God purposefully presented himself to paul cause he knew he'd get results. Does that mean God purposefully permitted the spanish to wipe out civilizations in the name of christianity, because he knew it would work to spread christianity?
 
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If you don't want to believe the spiritual genius Paul who was ranked as the 6th most influential person in human history, and almost daily risked his life preaching the gospel then that is certainly your right.
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Right, I don't. Generally, the more influential, the more they lie.

Hans
 
DOC said:
Sorry, but there was no TV cameras back then to record the incident on the road to Damascus.
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Correct. However, there were written documents, independent records of major events, etc.

If you don't want to believe the spiritual genius Paul
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"spiritual genius?" :rolleyes:

who was ranked as the 6th most influential person in human history,
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Kindly explain to me why his #6 ranking makes him more important than Mohammed's #1 ranking. (Don't think I didn't notice that you ignored that part.)

I'm sure your explanation will be interesting.

and almost daily risked his life preaching the gospel then that is certainly your right.
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DOC, let me make something very clear to you. I'm Jewish. My people have been oppressed, tortured, forced to convert, herded into ghettos, and ultimately thrown into ovens by your peace-loving Christian brethren.

Playing the religious oppression card does not go over very well with me. So if you think that's actually persuasive, you're quite simply wrong.
 
DOC said:
Sorry, but there was no TV cameras back then to record the incident on the road to Damascus.
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Which begs the question:Why didn't god simply present himself to everyone alive?


DOC said:
If you don't want to believe the spiritual genius Paul
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What's a spiritual genius?
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who was ranked as the 6th most influential person in human history
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outranked by Mohammed...
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, and almost daily risked his life preaching the gospel
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evidence?
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then that is certainly your right.
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well, that's one factual point you've made.

ETA: No fair. Cleon beat me to the points!
 
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DOC said:
Yes, it's all love your neighbor, love your enemy Jesus' fault. Using your rationale, Watergate is the fault of the founding fathers who created the office of the President.
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The founding fathers are omnipotent, all-knowing immortals that knew what was going to happen and are still supposedly around today watching over us?? Otherwise there's no comparison...
 
DOC said:
Jesus/God probably knew that would be the case also which is why Jesus specifically appeared to the Christian persecutor Paul on the road to Damascus and called him to do his mission. In the process Christ made Paul a spiritual genius. I say Paul was a spiritual genius because how many other people do you know that can write several letters that are powerful enough and sublime enough to make up a large portion of the greatest selling book of all time, and are deeply analyzed by Christian and non-Christian scholars for 2 thousand years.
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Plato.......427-347 B.C.E.............Aristole.......382-322 B.C.E........Cicero.....106-43 B.C.E.
All these gentlemen wrote centuries before Paul was even a gleam in his fathers eyes. :p Yet their writings are today revered.
 
I wonder why the truth of the NT can be easily disputed and challenged and done away with if god is omnipotent. I mean, omnipotence should mean that you are able to inspire people to write a text that is selfevidently true.And not that incongruous ramshackle story which seems to contradict archeological and historiographic findings.
Can't God inspire people to get the facts straight?
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Moss said:
Can't God inspire people to get the facts straight?
:duck:
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Well, who says he didn't?
I mean, DOC doesn't want to beleive that God is a genocidial maniac who thinks slavery is an acceptable practice and that beating people is an acceptable means of discipline, but maybe that's god's divine truth.

At least, we must think so given the stories and text stated in the bible.
 
Moss said:
I wonder why the truth of the NT can be easily disputed and challenged and done away with if god is omnipotent. I mean, omnipotence should mean that you are able to inspire people to write a text that is selfevidently true.And not that incongruous ramshackle story which seems to contradict archeological and historiographic findings.
Can't God inspire people to get the facts straight?
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They did get the facts straight in the NT. Any perceived contradictions have all been explained. Name a perceived contradiction in the New Testament and I should be able to find a website that explains it.
 
DOC said:
They did get the facts straight in the NT. Any perceived contradictions have all been explained. Name a perceived contradiction in the New Testament and I should be able to find a website that explains it.
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ok, how about the claims made for that Jesus guy (think thats his name) being some kind of jewish Messiah

1. if he was the jewish Messiah then he didn't free the jews did he, wasn't that what they claimed the Messiah would do

go on then
explain that
:D
 
joobz said:
I mean, DOC doesn't want to beleive that God is a genocidial maniac who thinks slavery is an acceptable practice and that beating people is an acceptable means of discipline,
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And you believe you should fire someone and put them out on the street with no means of support. Can't you see that at that time and place (with no social agencies) they could very easily be worse off than giving them some lashes. With lashes OK they hurt for 10 minutes and are sore for a few days and learn their lesson. Then they go to their residence and have food and shelter. Your way they could die of starvation or freeze at night or have to rob to survive.

And you also believed people back then should let go prisoners of war rather then make them slaves. If you see the movie Saving Private Ryan you will see that when you let go prisoners of war they can come back and kill your own people. Although this was only a movie, the same could easily happen in real life. Also the prisoners of war you let go could resort to robbery to survive since they have no jobs.

Joobz on the surface what you say sounds good, but when you take a few minutes to think about it, what you advocate can do more harm than good.
 
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anytime youre ready Doc you can answer my question like you said you could

why didn't the messiah act messianically
anytime youre ready
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And you believe you should fire someone and put them out on the street with no means of support. Can't you see that at that time and place (with no social agencies) they could very easily be worse off than giving them some lashes. With lashes OK they hurt for 10 minutes and are sore for a few days and learn their lesson. Then they go to their residence and have food and shelter. Your way they could die of starvation or freeze at night or have to rob to survive.

And you also believed people back then should let go prisoners of war rather then make them slaves. If you see the movie Saving Private Ryan you will see that when you let go prisoners of war they can come back and kill your own people. Although this was only a movie, the same could easily happen in real life. Also the prisoners of war you let go could resort to robbery to survive since they have no jobs.

Joobz on the surface what you say sounds good, but when you take a few minutes to think about it, what you advocate can do more harm than good.
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When will you start the slave ships running to Darfur? There are a lot of children - and adults, for that matter - there who need food and shelter.

Not sure how the U.N. will react to your plan for rescuing them, though.
 
DOC said:
And you believe you should fire someone and put them out on the street with no means of support.
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They can get another job. Are you claiming they can't?

DOC said:
Can't you see that at that time and place (with no social agencies) they could very easily be worse off than giving them some lashes.
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No. it's nonsense argument. We have homeless people today. Using your reasoning, why are you not out advocating the ensalvement of the homeless population?

DOC said:
With lashes OK they hurt for 10 minutes and are sore for a few days and learn their lesson. Then they go to their residence and have food and shelter. Your way they could die of starvation or freeze at night or have to rob to survive.
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Horrible. you are honestly defending beating people. WOW.

DOC said:
And you also believed people back then should let go prisoners of war rather then make them slaves.
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Well, yes. Unless you think the women and children were really "POWs".

DOC said:
If you see the movie Saving Private Ryan you will see that when you let go prisoners of war they can come back and kill your own people. Although this was only a movie, the same could easily happen in real life. Also the prisoners of war you let go could resort to robbery to survive since they have no jobs.
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So why don't we enslave POWs today? Are you advocating the enslavement of POWs now as well? Hell, using your reasoning, the ENTIRE nation of Iraq should be US slaves. Honestly DOC, you are really starting to frighten me.

BTW, if an enemy combatant poses a risk to you, you keep him a prisoner not a slave.
DOC said:
Joobz on the surface what you say sounds good, but when you take a few minutes to think about it, what you advocate can do more harm than good.
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false. What you advocate is bronze age immorality and I find it reprehensible.
 
Marduk said:
ok, how about the claims made for that Jesus guy (think thats his name) being some kind of jewish Messiah

1. if he was the jewish Messiah then he didn't free the jews did he, wasn't that what they claimed the Messiah would do

go on then
explain that
:D
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He gave them a greater gift then freeing them militarily in the temporal, He offered the freeing of their souls and spirits and offered them the gift of eternal life. But many Jews at that time and still today haven't accepted the free gift. But this free gift is still available to the Jews.
 
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