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Why Are We Debunking 9/11 CTs? Is It Still Relevant?

I think it's just as important to debunk 9/11 CTs as it is to debunk the holocaust deniers' claims.
 
Why debunk 9/11 CTs? Good question

Some times, rarely, the '9/11 truth movement' sends a message that must be countered with rationality. The sham paper from Steven Jones and the responses thereof is but one example. R.Mackey's white paper is another. The vast majority of the time, however, the 'movement' blathers on and on about the same old shiznit that has been debunked again and again (controlled demolition, free fall yadda yadda yadda). Or, as I'm sure you've noticed, there are those that debunk themselves. Like the asinine Pentagon fly-over proponents or the holographic planes crowd. Killtown.

But, for the most part, the hydra that is the 'truth movement' fails to deliver a coherent epistle cognizant of the facts so it's really not worth paying much attention to it. Did you ever note how '9/11 truth' disappears when you quit surfing the internet? That's because reality is anathema to fantasy.

I know there are some (hell, most is more like) people who derive amusement reading about the travails of the '9/11 truth movement'. I know I do. But I think a lot of people spend their free time debunking 9/11 CTs simply because it's so gosh-darned easy.

Everything's easier with reality on your side.
 
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I think the 9/11 movement has run out of gimmicks and is now reaching the age where they have to provide their own income. It will always be there, but the push seems pretty much dead to me. The horse is now a pulp.
 
In times gone by, folks used to pay money to gawk at the lunatics in Bedlam. Here at the JREF Forum we get to do similar, for free, which is not quite cricket, but the TM aren't quite gentlemen. Joey Donut's minor opus' last line sums it up quite well!

NB I went to the Edinburgh Fringe last week, with no access to the internet, and it's true - 9/11 Twoof really does vanish when you're not on the web. Not only that, in a city full of edgy, provocative, controversial acts and productions there wasn't any sign of 9/11 TM anywhere.
 
twinstead said:
My sig. It's all about my sig. I don't mind people who are wrong, my beef is people who are wrong and arrogant about it.
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I 100% agree with this. These guys are so smug and I cannot stand that.

Also 911 CT are intermixed with a lot of other CT so when I find myself arguing about 911 to people I find myself arguing about the NWO among other things.

And hell, I LOVE arguing with people, it is my favorite pass time. I cannot wait to hand it to We Are Change LA on the 11th.
 
twinstead said:
My sig. It's all about my sig. I don't mind people who are wrong, my beef is people who are wrong and arrogant about it.
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I'm with you on this one.

I'm here for entertainment, critical thinking, and of course the obligatory smack down of arrogant truthers who come here trying to spread their lies.

I've also learned a lot from some of the amazing researchers here. 9/11 is a day I will never forget and I feel that I know more about what happened that day than the average citizen.
 
JoeyDonuts said:
The cookies, the chuckles, the schadenfreude laughs
The barely coherent discourse
The moving of goalposts, erroneous graphs
And "Larry said Pull It," of course.

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So why do we do it: carry the torch
To light up the Truth Movement's tricks?
Some teach, some lecture, but as for yours truly:
It's fun to poke people with sticks.
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Joey, hilarious, tops, AWA
(a work of art )

I hang around for posts like yours.
I can't stand to have Falsers betray the US with lies and errors.
If only they suffered from their delusions I wouldn't mind, but they filthy the waters I swim in.

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"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledum, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."
Lewis Carroll
 
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scott.in.taiwan said:
Back in August 2006,
<url snipped because this thing won't let me post urls. even those that someone else posted getting into a quote of their post, until I've posted "15 posts" -- mike3>
Gumboot and others tried to answer quiries about the motivations of 911 conspiracy debunkers. They gave very pertainant reasons for the time, but 3 years later, are these points still relevant?

As I have said before, my observations now is that the 911 Truth movement is composed of ranting lunatics. No one listens to them. They can't get more than a handful of people out to a rally. Politicans I am familiar with laugh at them. I doubt anyone would even let most of them near their young children or pets.

Who cares anymore? And why would anyone care enough to put large amounts of time into the extremely impressive calculations and video presentations I see all the time on JREFF?
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The debates can be fun, except when they get to insults and other sort of things that seem more like a battle of egos and other crap (and I've seen egos too big for one's own good on both sides of these debates. To me, insult usage shows that someone is trying to make their ego feel bigger/better or something.). And it provides a way to practice more scientific method and technique, use of logic, etc.
 
nicepants said:
I've also learned a lot from some of the amazing researchers here. 9/11 is a day I will never forget and I feel that I know more about what happened that day than the average citizen.
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At this point, knowing more about what happened that day is no longer a matter of being well-informed about current events. It's about understanding a part of history, and for many in a certain age group I believe it will become their first historical subject of interest since grade school history teaching did its usual magic trick of making their interest in the subject disappear.

I hope some of those who find it engaging will also branch off to discover some of the wealth of other historical subjects of interest. Pick an event, a time, a place, a people, a trend, an invention, an idea. Any at all.

The odd thing about history is that learning the broad outlines, the basic framework narrative of what happened in what order, the stuff they test you on in school, is the boring part. It's the details that are fascinating. (I think that's why many recent successful popular history books have taken the approach of focusing on a single event and examining all its aspects in detail, placing it within the context of broader history along the way.)

Another interesting thing about studying the unfolding history of an event you've lived through is that it's a good introduction to historiography, the study of how historical narratives are formed, communicated, evolved, and understood.

Within that context, the Truthers join a very long list of agenda-driven vandals of history. However, they're in good company. For instance, Longfellow's poem Paul Revere's Ride, by design, misrepresented Revere's actions that were a link in a well-organized cooperative plan, as the spontaneous actions of a lone hero. That distortion has persisted for a century and a half. I doubt the influence of the Truthers' creative inventions will last nearly so long.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
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Myriad said:
At this point, knowing more about what happened that day is no longer a matter of being well-informed about current events. It's about understanding a part of history, and for many in a certain age group I believe it will become their first historical subject of interest since grade school history teaching did its usual magic trick of making their interest in the subject disappear.

I hope some of those who find it engaging will also branch off to discover some of the wealth of other historical subjects of interest. Pick an event, a time, a place, a people, a trend, an invention, an idea. Any at all.

The odd thing about history is that learning the broad outlines, the basic framework narrative of what happened in what order, the stuff they test you on in school, is the boring part. It's the details that are fascinating. (I think that's why many recent successful popular history books have taken the approach of focusing on a single event and examining all its aspects in detail, placing it within the context of broader history along the way.)

Another interesting thing about studying the unfolding history of an event you've lived through is that it's a good introduction to historiography, the study of how historical narratives are formed, communicated, evolved, and understood.

Within that context, the Truthers join a very long list of agenda-driven vandals of history. However, they're in good company. For instance, Longfellow's poem Paul Revere's Ride, by design, misrepresented Revere's actions that were a link in a well-organized cooperative plan, as the spontaneous actions of a lone hero. That distortion has persisted for a century and a half. I doubt the influence of the Truthers' creative inventions will last nearly so long.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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There you go. Let's all move over to the history sub forum.
 
WUBRINY63 said:
There you go. Let's all move over to the history sub forum.
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We could, if anyone were starting threads about 9/11 that concerned the history, instead of conspiracy theories.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
My take on the whole thing:

Whereas the Truth Movement "membership" (for lack of a better term) has dropped off dramatically since peaking in 2006, the Truth Movement "leadership" (for really lacking a better term) still remains. It's the DRGs, The Richard Gages, The AJs, the ones who are making a living by preying upon the weak minded, filling their otherwise empty heads with nonsense. Those are the ones who should be not only debunked, but mocked and ridiculed at every turn.

What was once an average, but lucrative movement has been killed off by its own stupidity. The smart ones left in droves, leaving behind a core group of cretins, handjobs and teenaged internet warriors who, despite their enthusiasm, don't exactly pay the bills. That being said, which is more likely?:

1. It's time for the Truth Movement scumbags to pack it in, They've squeezed every penny from this cash cow and it's time to put this one to bed.

Or:

2. Much like the tobacco industry, The Truth Movement must adhere to the principal that there's one born every minute and must seek out new recruits, preferably ones that haven't graduated middle school yet.

That's why I think debunking is still relevant. My .02.
 
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OP:

Same reason we still debunk astrology, homopathy, physcics etc...

So long as there is ******** around, even if it is ancient ********, skeptics will do what skeptics do.
 
After studying Mark Robert's work and wish to suggest the analogy that he is indeed a modern-day 'Sherlock Holmes'! Do you all agree?

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Congruentruth said:
After studying Mark Robert's work and wish to suggest the analogy that he is indeed a modern-day 'Sherlock Holmes'! Do you all agree?
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You just asked the same question in another thread. It was off topic there and here.

Please stop.
 
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