Why Are We Debunking 9/11 CTs? Is It Still Relevant?

[grandmastershek]

"truthers still exist in the wild".
You sound just like Geobbels addressing the German people regarding the Jews.
You have to stop identifying these people as a creed, they are not.
They are proactive individuals from all walks of life and until you see them as this you will fall into the same traps that the Nazi's did -primarily thinking that you are in some way superior.This is false and it something you need to swallow if you wish to prevail.
You have weaknesses and this is where you need to look to strengthen your position.
There is no requirement on my part for you to agree - simply be mature

if by "proactive" you mean spreading a cancer on rational thought, consciously or not, yes quite.

 

[grandmastershek]

Ok guys. I'm not a 'twoofer' or truther or any other juvenile name you want to give it.
There is only one word that sums up your total idea of resistance here - PETTY.
I'm putting together a little memorandum noting how you have been misusing these forums.
How an anti free speech activist is using this as a platform against constitutional rights, how there is absolutely no discourse on these pages and how you - hiding behind your avatars - are actively undermining the American constitution.There is only one conspiracy here - and it is of your making.

how are your rights being violated? you are freely expressing yourself. you have freedom of speech, not freedom from criticism. your 1st amendment rights in no way guarantee everyone must nod along and drink your kool aide. in fact, suggesting as such places you in a level of hypocrisy as you believe your rights trump anyone who disagrees.

 

[TJM]

how are your rights being violated? you are freely expressing yourself. you have freedom of speech, not freedom from criticism. your 1st amendment rights in no way guarantee everyone must nod along and drink your kool aide. in fact, suggesting as such places you in a level of hypocrisy as you believe your rights trump anyone who disagrees.

Not to mention that the US Constitution does not guarantee freedom of speech on the JREF Forums.

 

[grandmastershek]

in answering the OP, 9/11 truth is a social disease that has no true cure. there will always be elements that will support any and all conspiracy theories. the only treatment is to put out information and logic that shows the faulty premises upon which such thinking rests. sadly, these people are dumbing down children by making them think that academics act like steven jones and company, that honest debate is what they see the loose change clowns doing, and research is only accepting what confirms your prior beliefs. after all, isn't the JREF about education and countering intellectual fraud?

 

[grandmastershek]

Not to mention that the US Constitution does not guarantee freedom of speech on the JREF Forums.

well i would like to see that people are free to speak their minds. however, it seems truthers will never get that their rights don't apply at all times in all locations. they still think the "don't taze me bro" clown was within his rights, and even more recently that they have the right to block public roads because they have the freedom of assembly.

 

[cmcaulif]

Back in August 2006,
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62568
Gumboot and others tried to answer quiries about the motivations of 911 conspiracy debunkers. They gave very pertainant reasons for the time, but 3 years later, are these points still relevant?

As I have said before, my observations now is that the 911 Truth movement is composed of ranting lunatics. No one listens to them. They can't get more than a handful of people out to a rally. Politicans I am familiar with laugh at them. I doubt anyone would even let most of them near their young children or pets.

Who cares anymore? And why would anyone care enough to put large amounts of time into the extremely impressive calculations and video presentations I see all the time on JREFF?

The topics that come up on the forum are occasionally interesting if you like physics or logic, but I don't think anyone can claim debunking is necessary or even relevant.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The topics that come up on the forum are occasionally interesting if you like physics or logic, but I don't think anyone can claim debunking is necessary or even relevant.

I certainly don't feel that it's necessary. The worst thing that could happen if we ignore such morons is that they could somehow remove themselves from the gene pool...not through dying but through rendering themselves terminally undateable.

 

[Thunder]

i believe it is very unfortunate, but because there are many Americans who are not familiar with the truthers, their tractics, their lies, and their endgame, it is necessary for folks like us, who have been following them and their ways from the very beginning, to be there when they pop up and try to spread their venom.

with great power and knowledge, comes great responsibility.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

If nothing else, this gives people a place to escape the Jesse Ventura idiots.

 

[cmcaulif]

I certainly don't feel that it's necessary. The worst thing that could happen if we ignore such morons is that they could somehow remove themselves from the gene pool...not through dying but through rendering themselves terminally undateable.

I disagree

Official lie slurper is the perfect way to address a date, it lets the ladies know where you stand on the desecration of our fundamental rights, and yet it's clearly suggestive second meaning will read loud and clear.

 

[grandmastershek]

i believe it is very unfortunate, but because there are many Americans who are not familiar with the truthers, their tractics, their lies, and their endgame, it is necessary for folks like us, who have been following them and their ways from the very beginning, to be there when they pop up and try to spread their venom.

with great power and knowledge, comes great responsibility.

Very true....I live in a resort town with a boardwalk. Periodically, we get all manner of people passing out their tripe to convince people of this or that. I make it a point to stop & ask the questions I know they will dance around & continue to ask that question until it becomes glaringly apparent that they have no viable answer. Luckily I have cell with internet access so if sources ever come into question they are just seconds away. I don't know if we have ever had twoofers up there, but I am always keeping an ear open. I am always hoping the local WAC will show up so I can shove their "peer reviewed" research up their asses, figuratively speaking of course.

 

[TruthersLie]

I certainly don't feel that it's necessary. The worst thing that could happen if we ignore such morons is that they could somehow remove themselves from the gene pool...not through dying but through rendering themselves terminally undateable.

Aggle.

I disagree. I do not believe the worst thing that could happen is that they will remove themselves from the gene pool.

I believe that too many folks have squeaked through public education with the barest levels of literacy, a self important ego and no ability to do any real research. Couple this with things like a slick looking movie and you have thousands of new "twoofs" who will spew the same crap, and then try to convert more.

Twoofs need to be actively and directly challenged to produce evidence to keep them from spreading the BS any further.

 

[332nd]

Thankyou. But you are incorrect.The initial political lobbying of prime politicians was undertaken by the Truth Movement.Later under the auspices of We Are Change and 9/11 Responders Congress was lobbied and shortly after the Mayor of New York submitted the recommendation for the 150 million dollar help package.

If this were true would the truth movement have much more support from the 9/11 first responders?

 

[triforcharity]

If this were true would the truth movement have much more support from the 9/11 first responders?

Thats true. We support alot of things, Ie: The Tunnels to Towers Run. It is done every year, and gets alot of support from current firefighters from all over the USA.

If they were actually doing some good, they might get some support from the local first responders. To date, I have NEVER seen $.01 from the T(B)M to the first responder charities.

They are liars.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Aggle.

I disagree. I do not believe the worst thing that could happen is that they will remove themselves from the gene pool.

I believe that too many folks have squeaked through public education with the barest levels of literacy, a self important ego and no ability to do any real research. Couple this with things like a slick looking movie and you have thousands of new "twoofs" who will spew the same crap, and then try to convert more.

True...but it only seems to "stick" with people who are intellectually and motivationally challenged anyway, so it ends up not having much of an effect.

At least, it hasn't so far. We'll see.