• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Split Thread WTC7 is a problem for the 9/11 official story

bill smith said:
I see another one retreating into the lack of apparent explosive detonations. You all seem to be gravitating to that final entrenchement. We will have to see if that bridge cannot be crossed when the time comes.
Click to expand...

The time came long ago, and it turned out there wasn't a bridge.

bill smith said:
A 15,000 ton well-shielded block of molten steel might well stay hot for that long though Dave .
Click to expand...

Your block of molten steel has some remarkable attributes. Some of the time it weighs 15,000 tons, other times it only weighs 10-15 tons. Just a helpful hint: whan your conspiracy theory requires a major violation of the law on conservation of mass-energy, you may have one or two problems with it.

bill smith said:
I can think of little else that provides a rational explanation for the massive heat that was melting the workers boots way up on the surface weeks after the event.
Click to expand...

The fact that you, personally, can't think of something that's obvious to everyone else, is of little importance.

Dave
 
Ragnarok said:
They are asking for the means to more transparency in govt. and big business actions, and you are defending their position to keep their secrets safe. Just saying, like!
Click to expand...
You don't achieve "the means to more transparency in govt. and big business actions" by distorting the truth and lying. And pointing out those lies is not "defending" the position of government or big business. In reality, if 9/11 was an inside job then ensuring bogus "evidence" is exposed as such is very important.
 
Why did the truthers pick thermite?
What about thermobaric explosives, they sound much more fancy than that old invention thermite.
Why not claim this hightech lowpressure explosive ripped of a few floors of wct 1&2, removed the lateral support, and made it collapse.
And if "thermobaric explosives" does not sound sexy enough by itself it could be combined with the words nanocarbon or nano white spirit.
 
Ragnarok said:
You do realise that you "OCT'ers" sound just as anally-retentive about this subject as the the "Truthers" are, only they are trying to prevent the possibility of any further conspiracies being successful, and you lot are trying to shoo them away. They are asking for the means to more transparency in govt. and big business actions, and you are defending their position to keep their secrets safe. Just saying, like!
Click to expand...

The fallacy with this is that it assumes that there was a successful conspiracy within the US government. Given that there wasn't, what you truthers are demanding is that more public money be spent on a whim to investigate a set of events that have already been investigated in very fine detail, based on a set of delusional and idiotic half-developed theories that can't even be presented in full because their internal contradictions are obvious even to the deluded. And if this investigation doesn't get the result you want, you'll demand another one, and another, until one eventually screws up so badly as to suggest the possibility of deliberate wrongdoing in the government, at which point you'll all start baying for blood. That's not an investigation, it's a witch-hunt, and nothing is more likely to motivate the government towards greater secrecy so as to protect itself from this sort of vigilante justice. In effect, you're punishing the exact behaviour you claim to be supporting.

Dave
 
TokenMac said:
Well imaginary records aside, it seems your ready to get back on-topic.
So got that proof of CIA ties yet?
Click to expand...

You got that proof the GZ investigators were all trained demolition experts and were looking for secondary devices yet?
 
Last edited:
Bill has still failed to address:
Originally Posted by bill smith
The official story of 9/11 is such a tissue of lies that there are literally hundreds of areas of dispute. I challenge in these areas where I can.
Click to expand...
And you've failed 100% of the time. But I digress.

9/11 was anything but flawless. For instance I believe that WTC7 was intended to have been struck by flight 93. This fell through when flight 93 got held up for an hour on the runway at Newark which in turn culminated in the event in shanksville. So both the obvious CD of WTC7 amd the so -called crash in Shanksville were connected forced errors that they have somehow survived up till now.
Click to expand...
Yet you cannot come up with even a plausible reason to use WTC7 instead of something more prominent like the stock exchange which would have fit completely into your "shock and awe" scenario where WTC 7 would have not. That still does not explain why they would have demolished it anyway. Your fictitious destruction of unknown evidence for unknown investigation that may or may not have been going on is absolute lunacy. The fire alone would have been enough to cover the documents "disappearing." Not only that, WTC does not look like any CD that has ever been done in history. The only thing that is remotely similar is the walls collapsing. Other than that, there is nothing. The east penthouse is the first thing that is nothing like any CD that has been done. The lack of sound is another. The lack of anything even resembling explosive detonations is visible.

Putting the explosives and incendiaries in the three buildings was child's play. they simply pumped nanothermite inside the core columns and ignited them by remote. Nobody in the building would hv looked twice at engineers drilling a hole at the top of a column and inserting a tube or the nozzle of a spraygun.
Click to expand...
Shows that you haven't a clue about human psychology. A bunch of guys drilling around your office would have been noticed and remembered.

A different and explosive type of nanothermite as used higher in the building. Like in the top 13 floors of WTC1 for instance which essentially blew up throwing chunks as large as four tons 600 feet or the length of two football fields
Click to expand...
Here is your heap load of failure. For the explosives to have done that, they would have made a big, huge SOUND that would have been recorded on 100% of all recording devices for MILES. Without that SOUND, your fictitious scenario is not even plausible, let alone believable by any reasonable person over the age of 2.


It only takes the guys at the top and their immediate underlings to direct an operation even of this size. Tthe rest perform their function nd just do as they are ordered Even if they had their suspicions afterards it was a simple matter to gag them or intimidate them. Between 2003 and 2006 the FBI handed down more than 200,000 gag orders. How many in 2001-2002 is classified from what I understand. Even with this there are literally hundreds of histleblowers.
Click to expand...
Yet the "most gagged person in history" is anything but silent.

A compliant media was also an essential. No problems there...
Click to expand...
Just ask Nixon about that.

So you see where WTC7 fit into the picture ?I could go on and on about the rest...
Click to expand...
Yep, it completely destroys your fantasy, but if you want to spew forth a bunch more lies, go ahead. BTW, Northwoods went to great pains to insure no American citizens would die, so anything based on it would do the same. Nice try, but you fail again.
Click to expand...
 
The last two pages have nothing to do with WTC7, it all should be moved to AAH/General Discussion.
 
Ragnarok said:
You got that proof the GZ investigators were all trained demolition experts and were looking for secondary devices yet?
Click to expand...
Nice dodge from the original question. Do you have proof that there was a reason that they should have been looking for residue of exlosives?
 
Ragnarok said:
It ALL has to do with WTC7, to the extent we are trying to determine motivation and means.
Click to expand...
Then provide what the motive and means were. Please include evidence to back it. You know, actual evidence, not some severly cut quote that is taking out of context like the "pull it" fallacy.
 
Ragnarok said:
Erm, the fact that he was good mates with the CIA and other dubious personalities, maybe?
Click to expand...

Can you back that up?
guess not.

Anyway, how would coordination between OBL and the USA goverment affect the attacks?

What can you point to as indication of coorporation or not?

Have you ever bothered to ask such questions yourself, or are you just making it up as you go?
 
No twoofer has ever been able to offer a plausible motive for blowing up WTC 7. Perhaps Ragnarok will be the first?

OK, that last part was a joke. He, of course, will do no such thing.
 
lapman said:
Nice dodge from the original question. Do you have proof that there was a reason that they should have been looking for residue of exlosives?
Click to expand...

Satisfaction of personal curiosity would be enough reason for most people, and if they'd suspected the **** storm that was to follow, at least there would have been credible reports for the doubters to argue against.
 
dtugg said:
No twoofer has ever been able to offer a plausible motive for blowing up WTC 7. Perhaps Ragnarok will be the first?

OK, that last part was a joke. He, of course, will do no such thing.
Click to expand...

A plausible motive? To remove all traces of the command centre, maybe?
 
Ragnarok said:
A plausible motive? To remove all traces of the command centre, maybe?
Click to expand...

Try to keep your story strait.
You started on some possible coorporation between OBL and USA goverment. The command center BS is from a different story.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom