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Split Thread WTC7 is a problem for the 9/11 official story

Al Quaeda does not really exist. It was an invention loosely based around the few rag-tag followers that OBL had. They were magnified massively out of proportion for the purposes of 9/11 and what was to come afterwards. Almost to the level of posing the same threat to America as the former Soviet Union. Almost nobody had ever heard pf them on the day fefore 9/11 on which this giant worldwide organisation of Terrorists apparetly sprang fully-formed into life with their palatial high Tech caves deep inside the mountains of Afghanistan...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTgpsAs4_c&feature=related BBC Clip


1. ''The common wisdom is that "you can't keep secrets in Washington," and that someone always deliberately leaks or inadvertently blabs. But, says Ellsberg, who was privy to some of the most top-secret material for years, "the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public.

This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy... Secrets that would be of the greatest importance to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the Executive Branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders."

2. Most if not all the Bin Laden tapes are transparent fakes.

3. The perps knew that there would be conspiracy theories. And why not ?- considering that they started them themselves. The Pentagon for instance was a honeypot to attract conspiracy theories and they had contingency plans in place on the ground to launch new conspiracy theories at any second in the other events depending on how many and what kind of errors were made.
 
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More evidence free ramblings by bill. It's great that bill is so effective at debunking himself. Makes it so easy for us that live in the real world.
 
bill smith said:
2. Most if not all the Bin Laden tapes are transparent fakes.
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with a blanket statement like that, the least you could do is provide clear, hard hitting expert analysis that proves they are, or at the very least, a statement from OBL telling the mainstream media to "knock that crap off". Gimme something to work with here. What you're accusing is that people are locked away in a room somewhere and are busy making fake bin Laden tapes, and yet there is nothing AT ALL from this guy expressing his outrage over faked footage?

Your answer will be either:
He's a CIA asset
He's actually dead and therefore can't do anything about that
or - The Planet X option
 
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Yeah, yeah I get it. Look, even if can't bring yourself to consider the possibility that it wasn't some kind of inside job, again I ask, why wouldn't they just carry it out more or less like they claim it did? In other words, hijack some jets and crash them into buildings? Why go to such absurd lengths to complicate things? The "simpler" option is just as evil, just as frightening, kills just as many people, but it is a lot less likely to be discovered. The schemes your incoherent theories suggest don't make sense to anyone but you and a handful of others.

It all goes back to my original point; you're locked into this mindset that says that everything your opponent says is a lie, so you have to jump through an increasingly complex series of hoops to have your beliefs jibe with incontrovertible facts. You really would dispute the date and locations of the attacks, if you thought you could get away with it, wouldn't you?
 
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JohnG said:
Yeah, yeah I get it. Look, even if can't bring yourself to consider the possibility that it wasn't some kind of inside job, again I ask, why wouldn't they just carry it out more or less like they claim it did? In other words, hijack some jets and crash them into buildings? Why go to such absurd lengths to complicate things? The "simpler" option is just as evil, just as frightening, kills just as many people, but it is a lot less likely to be discovered. The schemes your incoherent theories suggest don't make sense to anyone but you and a handful of others.

It all goes back to my original point; you're locked into this mindset that says that everything your opponent says is a lie, so you have to jump through an increasingly complex series of hoops to have your beliefs jibe with incontrovertible facts. You really would dispute the date and locations of the attacks, if you thought you could get away with it, wouldn't you?
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No, I wouldn't .
 
You've been ignoring the point I've been making all along. Committing a crime is hard enough, framing someone else for said crime, harder still. Why compound the difficulty by attempting to frame someone for a specific crime by committing an entirely different crime? Please give me a coherent answer that doesn't involve the words "shock" and/or "awe".
 
JohnG said:
You've been ignoring the point I've been making all along. Committing a crime is hard enough, framing someone else for said crime, harder still. Why compound the difficulty by attempting to frame someone for a specific crime by committing an entirely different crime? Please give me a coherent answer that doesn't involve the words "shock" and/or "awe".
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When you ask a coherent question you may get a coherent answer.
 
bill smith said:
9/11 was anything but flawless. For instance I believe that WTC7 was intended to have been struck by flight 93. This fell through when flight 93 got held up for an hour on the runway at Newark which in turn culminated in the event in shanksville. So both the obvious CD of WTC7 amd the so -called crash in Shanksville were connected forced errors that they have somehow survived up till now.
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You mean the schemers behind this four-decade plan, who were able to secretly fill building frameworks with thermite, set it off remotely without a single suspicious aluminum-oxide deposit anywhere in the debris, and silence all the competent structural engineers, demolition experts, and reporters in the world afterward, were unable to arrange for a plane to be first in line for take-off?

For want of a couple of guys in coveralls with orange-cone-covered flashlights, the plan was nearly lost?

It doesn't wash. They wouldn't have overlooked that detail. Something must have happened. The only possibility is that some comparably well-organized and powerful organization must have got wind of the plan and been working against them!

The flight delay is the key. Find the ground crew, ground traffic controllers, airlines, pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, or whoever was directly personally responsible for that nearly-fatal delay. They are your secret allies! If you impress them by finding them out and making contact, they will take you away to their secret underground Lair of Justice and, after subjecting you to a few terrifying ordeals to verify that your heart is pure, invite you to join their heroic struggle against tyranny! Then they will discover, to everyone's surprise, that you (despite your own denials) are the prophesied Chosen One destined to save them all.

Watch out, though. You probably have a tracking device planted on you, which means once you arrive at the Lair of Justice there will only be enough time for a brief training montage before you and your new allies will face the massed legions of doom in a long-awaited final showdown.

May the force be with you.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
bill smith said:
When you ask a coherent question you may get a coherent answer.
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how much more coherent can you get than this?
Unsecured Coins said:
with a blanket statement like that, the least you could do is provide clear, hard hitting expert analysis that proves they are, or at the very least, a statement from OBL telling the mainstream media to "knock that crap off". Gimme something to work with here. What you're accusing is that people are locked away in a room somewhere and are busy making fake bin Laden tapes, and yet there is nothing AT ALL from this guy expressing his outrage over faked footage?

Your answer will be either:
He's a CIA asset
He's actually dead and therefore can't do anything about that
or - The Planet X option
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then again, you said i "may" get an aswer so I'll just be over here, not holding my breath.
 
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What was incoherent about that last question or the point I've been trying to get you to acknowledge over these last several posts? I'll rephrase it, if it helps:

Why make a plan more complicated than it has to be? Especially when those complications not only jeopardize the success of the plan but put the planner at risk?
 
Myriad said:
You mean the schemers behind this four-decade plan, who were able to secretly fill building frameworks with thermite, set it off remotely without a single suspicious aluminum-oxide deposit anywhere in the debris, and silence all the competent structural engineers, demolition experts, and reporters in the world afterward, were unable to arrange for a plane to be first in line for take-off?

For want of a couple of guys in coveralls with orange-cone-covered flashlights, the plan was nearly lost?

It doesn't wash. They wouldn't have overlooked that detail. Something must have happened. The only possibility is that some comparably well-organized and powerful organization must have got wind of the plan and been working against them!

The flight delay is the key. Find the ground crew, ground traffic controllers, airlines, pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, or whoever was directly personally responsible for that nearly-fatal delay. They are your secret allies! If you impress them by finding them out and making contact, they will take you away to their secret underground Lair of Justice and, after subjecting you to a few terrifying ordeals to verify that your heart is pure, invite you to join their heroic struggle against tyranny! Then they will discover, to everyone's surprise, that you (despite your own denials) are the prophesied Chosen One destined to save them all.

Watch out, though. You probably have a tracking device planted on you, which means once you arrive at the Lair of Justice there will only be enough time for a brief training montage before you and your new allies will face the massed legions of doom in a long-awaited final showdown.

May the force be with you.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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It was a fire somewhere that preventd the timely departure of flight 93 Myriad as I remember. By definition hat kind of fire is unpredictable. The best laid plans and all that you know ?..... 'Twixt cup and lip is many a slip....
 
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bill smith said:
It was a fire somewhere that preventd the timely departure of flight 93 Myriad as I remember. By definition hat kind of fire is unpredictable. The best laid plans and all that you know ?..... 'Twixt cup and lip is many a slip....
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The fire occured 2 days earlier. They would have been able to account for that and either cause "delays" at the other airports or held up other aircraft so 93 would have been able to leave on time. Nice try. Fail again.
 
JohnG said:
What was incoherent about that last question or the point I've been trying to get you to acknowledge over these last several posts? I'll rephrase it, if it helps:

Why make a plan more complicated than it has to be? Especially when those complications not only jeopardize the success of the plan but put the planner at risk?
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If flight 93 had hit it's intended target- WTC7 then we would have had three planes and three buidings. No mess in Shanksville and no problem with WTC7. All nice and neat and simple.

The Pentagon was turned into a honeypot/trap. The reason here was to develop the template of the typical 9/11 conspiracy theorist' They needed this urgently and as quickly as possible. They needed to have a label to hang on any credible person who might dispute the oficial story along the lines of '' he's only one of those silly conspiracy theorists'. This template was more important than you can imagine. We Truthers have been living with it daily for eight years.

I also suspect that they may have actual footage of a plane crashing into the Pentagon- whether real or fake I don't know. I think the idea was to show it at some strategic point and take the wind out of the whole conspiracy theory.

After WTC7 and the Shanksville fiasco they ditched that idea as those conspiracies already had a solid life of their own.
 
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bill smith said:
If flight 93 had hit it's intendd target- WTC7 then we would have had three planes and three buiding. No mess in Shanksville and no problem with WTC7. All nice and neat and simple.
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time out, high heels. is this your 100% documented actual what was going in plan or just something you pulled forcebly from the rectum?
 
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