Archeologly proves the Bible?

[Hokulele]

I am not gifted to teach on many of these subjects, but I am trying to direct you to those that I believe are!

My argument is simply this, I think you owe it to yourself to be more open to see if what these teachers have to offer as far as knowlege goes is true?

Dr. Mace Baker Ph. D. <snippity>

Also Diane Waring (an archeologist) <snippity>

Kathy, regarding these and your previous recommendations, if you haven't read/viewed/listened to these yourself, how do you know they are any good? Were these recommended by someone you know? Did you find these via Google? Some other method?

In other words, why do you believe these will be helpful, and why should we?

 

[pakeha]

Pakeha,
To be fair, I am printing out the whole book "After the Flood" to read when I get time.

A waste of trees, eccles, in my opinion.

At the moment I am watching the NASA Space Shuttle dock with the Internation Space Station. I can break off that long enough to reply to these posts

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Enjoy the show!

Question for you: Do you beiieve this "Creation" Crap? If so, I am sorry for you.

I find I can usually get an idea of what posters are like by reading their posts.
Still, your mileage may differ.

 

[pakeha]

Thanks for the reminder, paul.

 

[eccles]

Have a look at what the Athiest Foundation of Australia thinks of the Creation Science Foundation of Australia:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=1675



Robert

 

[eccles]

A waste of trees, eccles, in my opinion.

Well the council is chopping down all the trees in the centre divide of Oxley Drive where I live for road widening.

Poor little dogs -- won't have a tree to pee on.

First pee for the morning for my friend's King Charles.

 

[Lucian]

I went around and read the thing.

http://ldolphin.org/cooper/ch10.html

Perhaps the chapter which I found most striking was the above, in which the author cites Geoffrey of Monmouth as a source for proving the existence of dinosaurs in historical times, contrary to what evolutionists choose to believe.
The following chapter, which treats of Beowulf, has to be read to believed.

kurious_kathy, did you read the entire book?

I would not have believed it was possible, but I am both seething with rage and breathless from laughter. There's hardly a word about Beowulf that isn't preposterous. For instance, simply declaring that the poem is "clearly" pre-Christian in origin doesn't make that true. It's kind of ironic that he hearkens back to old Germanic-heroism type arguments that the Judeo-Christian element is a superficial interpolation.

Oh, and the poem is historically accurate: "...Beowulf...was no mythical figure. His place is firmly set in history. He was born the son of Ecgtheow in AD 495." Really? REALLY?

Now I was aware that some particularly batty creationists used the dragon in Beowulf to "prove" the co-existence of dinosaurs and humans (Beowulf statue at Creation Museum). I was going to ask you sciencey types exactly what kind of dinosaur had four legs, breathed fire, spat venom, flew and hoarded treasure. But, silly me, I had no idea that Grendel was also a dinosaur. When really it was so obvious--large man-shaped monster: must be a dinosaur.

Oh dear, my brain just exploded.

 

[GreNME]

I have read all except ''Mind of it's own''

There are lots of really good books out there that describe for us how we can look at things presented to us and catch ourselves in dissonant thinking and where our blind spots can be found. I'm not married to that book in particular (or the others I listed) as a perfect example, but they plant the seeds of healthy skepticism in one's mind. One of the good things about formal learning is that students are often trained to recognize these things (in the subjects they focus on, at least), while the vast marketplace of ideas and information doesn't come with a handbook to sort such things out. The books I listed are a decent starting point, though not definitive in the "handbook" sense.

 

[GreNME]

INow I was aware that some particularly batty creationists used the dragon in Beowulf to "prove" the co-existence of dinosaurs and humans (Beowulf statue at Creation Museum). I was going to ask you sciencey types exactly what kind of dinosaur had four legs, breathed fire, spat venom, flew and hoarded treasure. But, silly me, I had no idea that Grendel was also a dinosaur. When really it was so obvious--large man-shaped monster: must be a dinosaur.

Grendel was a sasquatch!

 

[Lucian]

Grendel was a sasquatch!

Well, that would make more sense than a dinosaur with weak, puny "forelimbs."

 

[amb]

Not yet as I have already specified I am by no means an expert in this field of study, but I do read and study as I find more time to do so.

Some other interesting points are found in these slide shows by Mace Baker Ph.D. http://www.scienceforcreation.com/slideshows.htm I have heard him speak and bought a couple of his DVD's called,"Scientific Evidence For Noah's Flood" and "Dinasours and Creation." These teachings are very good so I would strongly suggest you get them yourselves.

You are surely jesting, are you not? These are fiction, and I'm sure who ever produced them is having a lend of you.
Do you realize that Noahs ark would need to be the size of Tasmania to hold two of every creature on the planet?
That according to engineers a boat of the size quoted in the babble would take at least 5.000 years to build with the labour available to Noah? Not to mention that the thing would break up at the first sign of a wave.

 

[amb]

Have a look at what the Athiest Foundation of Australia thinks of the Creation Science Foundation of Australia:

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=1675

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[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/338944a927d97a44d4.png[/qimg] Robert

Thanks eccles. I've joined up. Hope I get the time to post there as well.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

I would not have believed it was possible, but I am both seething with rage and breathless from laughter. There's hardly a word about Beowulf that isn't preposterous. For instance, simply declaring that the poem is "clearly" pre-Christian in origin doesn't make that true. It's kind of ironic that he hearkens back to old Germanic-heroism type arguments that the Judeo-Christian element is a superficial interpolation.

Oh, and the poem is historically accurate: "...Beowulf...was no mythical figure. His place is firmly set in history. He was born the son of Ecgtheow in AD 495." Really? REALLY?

Now I was aware that some particularly batty creationists used the dragon in Beowulf to "prove" the co-existence of dinosaurs and humans (Beowulf statue at Creation Museum). I was going to ask you sciencey types exactly what kind of dinosaur had four legs, breathed fire, spat venom, flew and hoarded treasure. But, silly me, I had no idea that Grendel was also a dinosaur. When really it was so obvious--large man-shaped monster: must be a dinosaur.

Oh dear, my brain just exploded.

Good. With that pesky brain out of the way, read again.

 

[sleepy_lioness]

FWIW, I second the recommendation for The Bible Unearthed by Finkelstein and Silberman - I found it fascinating. I also liked their David and Solomon.

 

[pakeha]

I would not have believed it was possible, but I am both seething with rage and breathless from laughter. There's hardly a word about Beowulf that isn't preposterous. For instance, simply declaring that the poem is "clearly" pre-Christian in origin doesn't make that true. It's kind of ironic that he hearkens back to old Germanic-heroism type arguments that the Judeo-Christian element is a superficial interpolation.

Oh, and the poem is historically accurate: "...Beowulf...was no mythical figure. His place is firmly set in history. He was born the son of Ecgtheow in AD 495." Really? REALLY?

Now I was aware that some particularly batty creationists used the dragon in Beowulf to "prove" the co-existence of dinosaurs and humans (Beowulf statue at Creation Museum). I was going to ask you sciencey types exactly what kind of dinosaur had four legs, breathed fire, spat venom, flew and hoarded treasure. But, silly me, I had no idea that Grendel was also a dinosaur. When really it was so obvious--large man-shaped monster: must be a dinosaur.

Oh dear, my brain just exploded.

Now that you're prepared for higher things, go around and check out the slide show.
I'm still having trouble believing it's not a spoof site and that kurious_kathy isn't leading us up the garden path, so to speak.


So glad you found the 'beowulf' proof of creationism as convincing as I did.
Did you like the explanation why it makes sense that pteradactyls 'are' migratory?

 

[pakeha]

Do you realize that Noahs ark would need to be the size of Tasmania to hold two of every creature on the planet?

How on earth is kurious_kathy supposed to know the size of Tasmania?
Does Luke mention it?
Or Revelations?
Or any home schooling DVDs?

Perhaps you should tell kurious_kathy in which state of the USA she'll find Tasmania and it's fantastic flocks of pterydactyls.

 

[eccles]

Thanks eccles. I've joined up. Hope I get the time to post there as well.

Great Amb. Did you use the same user name as here. I can't see it on the member's list yet.
Did you read about the convention in Melbourne in March? I hope to be there. Richard Dawkins will be there.





Robert

 

[pakeha]

There are lots of really good books out there that describe for us how we can look at things presented to us and catch ourselves in dissonant thinking and where our blind spots can be found. I'm not married to that book in particular (or the others I listed) as a perfect example, but they plant the seeds of healthy skepticism in one's mind. One of the good things about formal learning is that students are often trained to recognize these things (in the subjects they focus on, at least), while the vast marketplace of ideas and information doesn't come with a handbook to sort such things out. The books I listed are a decent starting point, though not definitive in the "handbook" sense.

Thanks for posting that up, GreNME.
Those books are on my list and I'm hoping Los Reyes Magos will be generous at Twelveth Night, not like that Papa Noel at Christmastime.

 

[amb]

Great Amb. Did you use the same user name as here. I can't see it on the member's list yet.
Did you read about the convention in Melbourne in March? I hope to be there. Richard Dawkins will be there.



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[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/338944a927d97a44d4.png[/qimg] Robert

I'm posting under my real name. angelo. and yes. I will try my darnest to be there as well.

 

[eccles]

I'm posting under my real name. angelo. and yes. I will try my darnest to be there as well.

I just found you and left you a private message,





Robert

 

[Marduk]

Not yet as I have already specified I am by no means an expert in this field of study, but I do read and study as I find more time to do so.

Some other interesting points are found in these slide shows by Mace Baker Ph.D.

is that the same Mace Baker who got his phd from Pacific International University as he claims on his own page here
http://www.scienceforcreation.com/drbaker2.htm

which is described by wiki as

Pacific International University was an unaccredited, conservative, Christian university and seminary located in Springfield, Missouri. 1989 alumnus of Pacific International University Carl Baugh was the university president.[1] The school has been referred to as a diploma mill.[2][3] Pacific International University is not accredited by any accreditation body recognized by its country. As such, its degrees and credits might not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and use of degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_International_University

so first question, why are you claiming this retard knows anything credible when his own page is a demonstration of woo
second question
are all your experts this well qualified