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Archeologly proves the Bible?

No worries, Simon39759.
When do you think the promised archeological evidence will be posted up?
 
If you think archeology is going to produce evidence for the accuracy of the babble, you'll be waiting an eternity.
 
If I thought so, you'd be right, amb.
Still, I'm new enough here to be amused by the responses to the question.
 
A realy good book on the subject is.........The Bible Unearthed by archeologists Finklestein and Asher.
 
So what is you opinion Amb?

As a matter of interest, I have just come out of my usual most anxious moments: the launch of the NASA Space Shuttle to the International Space Station. I can now resume breathing and stop biting my nails. The launch just now was perfect. I always watch the launches live on NASA TV on the internet.



Robert
 
eccles said:
I have just joined "Heritage Key" a site devoted to Ancient History and Archaeology. Here is an article that will be of interest. I have yet to study it. I am printing it now.

History Rewritten: How the Dead Sea Scrolls Really Got to Qumran

http://heritage-key.com/world/history-rewritten-how-dead-sea-scrolls-really-got-qumran
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Well, the article is a bit off in its presentation regarding modern ideas on what that area of Qumran was. It hasn't been thought of as some hidey-hole for Essenes in decades, and has for quite some time been considered a location that was more a stopping-off point in a journey than anything else.

You seem to continually ascribe lots of importance to the most odd things. I don't mean this as an attack, but as a statement of being confounded by how you're reaching some of the implicative things you've posted.

I'm going to suggest four books that I think would be incredibly helpful for you, but none of them are (specifically) on the subject of the early Christians, the origins of the Jesus story, the gnostic cults, or any esoteric material. I feel so strongly that your reading them would be helpful to you that if you don't think you could find or afford them I will pick them up at my local bookstore and mail them to you (limited time offer, while supplies last, etc.), whether it's one or all four you think would be acceptable-- or you could very likely find each in your local city library. The four books are Why People Believe Weird Things and How We Believe by Michael Shermer, A Mind of Its Ownby Cordelia Fine, and The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan. Those four will help you more in finding out what to look for that me offering a library list of books on the subject of Christianity in its infancy, Egyptian or Mesopotamian religions, or me offering treatises on the weaknesses of syncretism.
 
I went around to the site, eccles, and browsed for a time. I found it quite enjoyable; I pagemarked it and sent the URL on to a cousin's lad who's interested in history and whose imagination is fired by antiquities.
Thanks for posting it up and I'm looking forward seeing anything posted up.
I live for links.
 
eccles said:
So what is you opinion Amb?

As a matter of interest, I have just come out of my usual most anxious moments: the launch of the NASA Space Shuttle to the International Space Station. I can now resume breathing and stop biting my nails. The launch just now was perfect. I always watch the launches live on NASA TV on the internet.

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As I said, it's a very interesting site. And quite plausible I may add.
We are really at the mercy of people who make this a lifetime study who we have no idea of what their ideology is. I make it a habit of reading both sides opinion and reaching my own conclusions which seem to be close to yours.
 
GreNME said:
Well, the article is a bit off in its presentation regarding modern ideas on what that area of Qumran was. It hasn't been thought of as some hidey-hole for Essenes in decades, and has for quite some time been considered a location that was more a stopping-off point in a journey than anything else.

You seem to continually ascribe lots of importance to the most odd things. I don't mean this as an attack, but as a statement of being confounded by how you're reaching some of the implicative things you've posted.

I'm going to suggest four books that I think would be incredibly helpful for you, but none of them are (specifically) on the subject of the early Christians, the origins of the Jesus story, the gnostic cults, or any esoteric material. I feel so strongly that your reading them would be helpful to you that if you don't think you could find or afford them I will pick them up at my local bookstore and mail them to you (limited time offer, while supplies last, etc.), whether it's one or all four you think would be acceptable-- or you could very likely find each in your local city library. The four books are Why People Believe Weird Things and How We Believe by Michael Shermer, A Mind of Its Ownby Cordelia Fine, and The Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan. Those four will help you more in finding out what to look for that me offering a library list of books on the subject of Christianity in its infancy, Egyptian or Mesopotamian religions, or me offering treatises on the weaknesses of syncretism.
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I have read all except ''Mind of it's own''
 
supercorgi said:
This is an offshoot of a discussion with Kurious Kathy in which she asked me to start a new thread. The topic is archeological evidence that the Bible it true to which she attests. I attest that there is next to no archeological evidence that the Bible is true. Here is my response to one of her posts:



I understand. Enjoy your vacation. Yet when you get back, I'd be very interested in any information you could provide.



Please supply the full name of the book. A search on "Archeolgoy Bible" on amazon produces a number of hits. I'd be interested in reading this.

You should also be aware of that Biblical archeology, as a whole, does not get a lot of respect from the archeological community. This is because, archaeologists do not go into the field with a lot of presuppositions. They do field work to find what is there and then draw some tentative conculsions from it that they hope will be verified by more field work. Yes archaeologists have hypothesis which they go into the field to test - yet, if the evidence does not support these hypotheses, they refine or abandon them. They go to examine the evidence, not to pigeonhole it into their theory.

Biblical archaeologists (and I repeat not all - some are fine scholars) go into the field with a bunch of presuppositions. They go into the field to find evidence that the Bible is true - and sometimes ignore or discount evidence that does not fit with their hypotheses. They go with a certainty that something is true and look for evidence to support it - they do not go with an idea (which may or may not be true) and let the evidence (or lack of) speak for itself. They do not use accepted archeological methods.

For example, my area of specialty was pre-iron age Europe - basically the Celts. My professor's area of expertise was on how trade contact with the Romans transformed the Celts. The evidence - trade goods from Rome in Celtic lands, trade goods from Celts in Rome, change in burial practices amongst the Celts, changes in communities amongst the Celts. Strong evidence yet at the same time (this was 20 years ago) not conclusive.

You need evidence. Solid evidence. Not just evidence that such and such a city actually existed. This is no evidence for the Bible but just evidence that such a place existed and was widely know in the Roman/Biblical world. If you are trying to provide evidence that the Bible was true, you need strong evidence that the things that occurred in the Bible actually happened. For example, we know that the Jews did not build the pyramids and may not even been slaves in Egypt. We have no evidence to a mass exodus and no evidence that a large group of people wandered in the Sinai for many years. Nil, nada, nothing.

The same is true for the Flood. There is no evidence for this and any twisting of the geological record is dishonest. The Grand Canyon provides NO evidence for a world-wide flood despite Creationists attempt to make it so. The Grand Canyon was formed by 1000s of years of sedimentary rock being laid down and then eroded by a river. The strata in the Grand Canyon attest to this. Sedimentary rock to that depth does not form over a matter of a year or so.
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Hi SC, Sorry I had no time this last month to get on jref so I just found your thread topic. There is much to be found on this topic and even though I am certainly no expert on this subject I will share some of the info I have in hopes it may enlighten you.

Let me start with referring you to this book, "After The Flood" by Bill Cooper. This link has it free online so I suggest you read this info and lets start from that. http://ldolphin.org/cooper/contents.html
 
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Sorry to interrupt, but I've overlooked this post til just now

amb said:
A realy good book on the subject is.........The Bible Unearthed by archeologists Finklestein and Asher.
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The book's now on my list.
Thanks, amb.
 
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kurious_kathy said:
Hi SC, Sorry I had no time this last month to get on jref so I just found your thread topic. There is much to be found on this topic and even though I am certainly no expert on this subject I will share some of the info I have in hopes it may enlighten you.
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Unless you can present an arugment and defend it, you are merely appealing to authority. So far, I have been underwhelmed by all the sources you have presented. Why should I expect this one to be any better?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Hi SC, Sorry I had no time this last month to get on jref so I just found your thread topic. There is much to be found on this topic and even though I am certainly no expert on this subject I will share some of the info I have in hopes it may enlighten you.

Let me start with referring you to this book, "After The Flood" by Bill Cooper. This link has it free online so I suggest you read this info and lets start from that. http://ldolphin.org/cooper/contents.html
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I went around and read the thing.

http://ldolphin.org/cooper/ch10.html

Perhaps the chapter which I found most striking was the above, in which the author cites Geoffrey of Monmouth as a source for proving the existence of dinosaurs in historical times, contrary to what evolutionists choose to believe.
The following chapter, which treats of Beowulf, has to be read to believed.

kurious_kathy, did you read the entire book?
 
"Geoffrey of Monmouth as a source for proving the existence of dinosaurs in historical times, contrary to what evolutionists choose to believe.
The following chapter, which treats of Beowulf, has to be read to believed."

Pakeha, are you really serious?

Do you know anything about Geoffrey of Monmouth? Well I do and all he was was a MONK. No knowledge of Science or Anthropology, wrote a lot about King Arthur and Merlin and like fables. Do you know anything about the minds of Christians, especially monks in medieval times?

I have a lot of material about King Arthur and I have been to Glastonbury Abbey. There possibly might have been a real King Arthur, but there possibly might have been a Jesus. Some people claim Jesus visited Glastonbury with his uncle Joseph of Aramthea, but they are all fables.



Robert
 
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