Moderated Thermite: Was it there or not?

[bill smith]

You´re taken in by Hoffman here. Better read Hoffman´s source.

The last statement you cite is from the PANY document discussed by NIST here.

The Richard Roth Telegram, referencing the Skilling firm, is in fact just a reproduction of this PANY paper, no external confirmation, and was dictated by PANY project manager Malcolm P. Levy himself.



Source, p. 135 et seq.




You´re comments on Robertson are disturbing. Robertsons statements are confirmed by people like PANY construction supervisor Guy F. Tozzoli.



Translation:


Seems Tozzoli is familiar with the "Robertson script", eh?

I will go with Skilling's clear stement made long before 9/11 that the calculation was for a 707 at about 600 mph rather than a statement made after 9/11 when the fix may have gone in. After all, Skilling was the lead structural engineer and would have chosen his words carefully as he may have had to justify them at any time.

 

[bill smith]

Mr. Bill is opaque to any substantive discussion. I assume he knows that.

Back on ignore for your.

On/Off..On/Off.....make up your mind for once Al and stick to it.

 

[beachnut]

I will go with Skilling's clear stement long before 9/11 that the calculation was for a 707 at about 600 mph rather than a statement made after 9/11 when the fix may have gone in. After all, Skilling was the lead structural engineer and would have chosen his words carefully as he may have had to justify them at any time.

You post a lie? Why are you unable to read your sources and find out Skilling never said 600 mph? Learning problems?

Robertson is the lead engineer; why do you insist on making up lies and using liars to source your delusions. You failed to figure out much as you are using faulty sources to from your failed statements.

Where is the thermite. You are off topic, adding an extra touch to your delusional post. Off topic, and spreading lies. And no clue

 

[lapman]

I will go with Skilling's clear stement made long before 9/11 that the calculation was for a 707 at about 600 mph rather than a statement made after 9/11 when the fix may have gone in. After all, Skilling was the lead structural engineer and would have chosen his words carefully as he may have had to justify them at any time.

Either way, he was only partially right. The buildings did survive the initial crash. However, he was wrong about the effect of the subsequent fires. It happens.

 

[bill smith]

You post a lie? Why are you unable to read your sources and find out Skilling never said 600 mph? Learning problems?

Robertson is the lead engineer; why do you insist on making up lies and using liars to source your delusions. You failed to figure out much as you are using faulty sources to from your failed statements.

Where is the thermite. You are off topic, adding an extra touch to your delusional post. Off topic, and spreading lies. And no clue

I don't mind talking about the thermite either. Why don't you get the ball rolling ?

 

[beachnut]

You´re taken in by Hoffman here. Better read Hoffman´s source.

The last statement you cite is from the PANY document discussed by NIST here.

The Richard Roth Telegram, referencing the Skilling firm, is in fact just a reproduction of this PANY paper, no external confirmation, and was dictated by PANY project manager Malcolm P. Levy himself.



Source, p. 135 et seq.




You´re comments on Robertson are disturbing. Robertsons statements are confirmed by people like PANY construction supervisor Guy F. Tozzoli.



Translation:


Seems Tozzoli is familiar with the "Robertson script", eh?

Robertson confirms this, and a new study after 911 confirms if the aircraft on 911 were going 200 mph they would have not entered the buildings.

I will post Robertson's reflections on the WTC, but this thread is about thermite and Bill can't provide evidence for thermite so she is posting lies about the WTC in general.
The irony is Robertson says the building fell as it would due to the way it was built, and he confirms the impacts and fires lead to the gravity collapse. He told this to Jones and Jones spewed the thermite insanity. Jones' insane idea is preferred by BillSmith due to her complete ignorance on many topics.

Good article it is hard to find news source that get it right. Almost impossible. Good job

 

[bill smith]

Either way, he was only partially right. The buildings did survive the initial crash. However, he was wrong about the effect of the subsequent fires. It happens.

No it doesn't...that's the rub. No building in the entire history of this planet has ever been crushed down to the ground by one-tenth of itself as it was in the case of the North Tower on 9/11. Never, ever.

 

[ImANiceGuy]

OK, I just had a quick review of your exchanges since 18 August, and I think I see where you started to get annoyed at Mackey. It was all about the choice E) that Mackey proposed. Pretty trivial stuff.

To be fair, you were trying to pick a fight for the longest time with Mackey, making various allegations, and he was being quite polite and in fact tried to de-escalate more than he was obliged to.

You may have forgotten that you were quite snarky and obnoxious. Remember posting this?
'well, it seems the duhbunkers can't get their stories straight either...

(fair moniker for any of you using the term Twoofer;basically the same person, just blind to opposing information)'

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5020058#post5020058

And here's one of Mackey's replies later. btw, I can't find a post where he called you 'childish'. Sorry.

'Just in case you're unaware of this, posts like the above are poor form if you wish to be taken seriously.

There's no need for such theatrics. The nanothermites don't care. Back to topic, or are you finished?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5041527#post5041527

He said what was on his mind. He offered lots of links, info and was willing to move on. But you were not.
That is why he put you on ignore.

After looking at the posts, I have no sympathy for you. You brought the bad karma on yourself. Let it go already, and move on.

Next.

Well I appreciated your previous post!

Originally, Macky accused me of a false dichotomy, and wouldn't let it go. Perhaps he was under the mistaken belief that one multiple choice question in a JREF thread is truly important in some way. Funny thing is, he did not need to accuse me of a fallacy, he could have just answered my question. I used a multiple choice format to clearly demostrate that JREF does not convey a common explanation. Each choice in the question represented an explanation provided in this thread.

Then he came to a false conclusion regarding my personal beliefs, and wouldn't let that go either. After I explicitly stated that Jones' rebuttal(not mine) to paint explanations was the MEK test, Macky said this:

It's a hack move designed to impress the totally uneducated, and apparently in your case it succeeded.

Now I'm on ignore. Hell of a guy.....

 

[lapman]

No it doesn't...that's the rub. No building in the entire history of this planet has ever been crushed down to the ground by one-tenth of itself as it was in the case of the North Tower on 9/11. Never, ever.

No building had been purposely slammed into by a large airliner going ~500mph prior to that date either. So I guess, by your standard, that could not have happened as well.

 

[progge]

I will go with Skilling's clear stement long before 9/11 that the calculation was for a 707 at about 600 mph rather than a statement made after 9/11 when the fix may have gone in. After all, Skilling was the lead structural engineer and would have chosen his words carefully as he may have had to justify them at any time.

Read more carefully, the "600 mph" statement is not from Skilling, it´s from the PANY whitepaper.
So let me fix your statement:

After all, Levy was PANY project manager and would have chosen his words carefully as he may have had to justify them at any time.

Move on.

 

[bill smith]

Robertson confirms this, and a new study after 911 confirms if the aircraft on 911 were going 200 mph they would have not entered the buildings.

I will post Robertson's reflections on the WTC, but this thread is about thermite and Bill can't provide evidence for thermite so she is posting lies about the WTC in general.
The irony is Robertson says the building fell as it would due to the way it was built, and he confirms the impacts and fires lead to the gravity collapse. He told this to Jones and Jones spewed the thermite insanity. Jones' insane idea is preferred by BillSmith due to her complete ignorance on many topics.

Good article it is hard to find news source that get it right. Almost impossible. Good job

Beachnut...Sweetie...I think we learned here today to properly interpret the statements of DeMartini and Skilling. It was quite eye-opening. There will be no going back.

 

[beachnut]

No building had been purposely slammed into by a large airliner going ~500mph prior to that date either. So I guess, by your standard, that could not have happened as well.

They have to justify their lie with faulty logic so they can be as delusional as 911 truth needs them to be.

911TruthLies - message to parents, You made them gullible, we make them delusional. /911TruthLies

A lie to justify the moron insane thermite scam of Jones. Jones the pied piper leading his flock to the pit of ignorance where they willfully leap, I mean trip over their lies, to their delusions.

 

[bill smith]

Read more carefully, the "600 mph" statement is not from Skilling, it´s from the PANY whitepaper.
So let me fix your statement:



Move on.

Acording to Hoffman (who is a really brilliant researcher) the quote is from a book called City in the Sky' Which I beliieve uncle Al has in his collection. If he hadn't put his shelds up he could have checked it out for us.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html#ref4

 

[CHF]

Acording to Hoffman (who is a really brilliant researcher)....

 

[bill smith]

No building had been purposely slammed into by a large airliner going ~500mph prior to that date either. So I guess, by your standard, that could not have happened as well.

The plane impacted....there was local damage...some fires burned. Then over an hour later the building collapsed with the top one-tenth crushing the absolutely intact bottom nine-tenths down level with the ground...by gravity alone.

No way.

 

[lapman]

The plane impacted....there was local damage...some fires burned. Then over an hour later the building collapsed with the top one-tenth crushing the absolutely intact bottom nine-tenths down level with the ground...by gravity alone.

No way.

Thank you for proving that you have no interest if facts. The damage was not local and there were more than just "some" fires. Well, you use a quote by a fireman that was 2 floors below the main part of the crash and fires as "proof." More evidence that you have no interest in the truth. But you already knew that.

 

[beachnut]

Hoffman is nuts on 911. He has the thermite in the ceiling tiles, millions of them with remote detonators. Radio controlled at that. Hoffman is injecting too much thermite, or lots of meth

 

[beachnut]

It was not thermite, it was fire.

Robertson said, “the collapse mechanism of the trade center, is as we anticipated it would be, when we first designed it” StevenJones_LeslieRobertson_20061026.mp3

Gravity collapse confirmed makes Heiwa ideas moronic lies.

In the book city in the sky, Robertson is upset the Port Authority made up the 600 mph lie. The white paper is just talking points NIST found that the Port Authority put out; it is backed by talk from their public affairs people who are as ignorant on engineering concepts as 911 CTers are.

The white paper put 600 mph the same way idiots look up the top speed of the 707 and say see it was 600 mph. Not sure what this has to do with thermite but if someone can read and check the reference you will never find 600mph from Robertson the chief engineer, or Skilling. The 600 mph is a lie when you say it is what Skilling or Robertson said.

911 conspiracy theorists have to say Robertson is lying when they see his work. 911 CTs are the liars and can't use knowledge or logic to form rational thought.

 

[bill smith]

It was not thermite, it was fire.
Gravity collapse confirmed makes Heiwa ideas moronic lies.

Pay no attention to Leslie robertson. Read Alienentities' signature for my opinion of him.

 

[progge]

Acording to Hoffman (who is a really brilliant researcher) the quote is from a book called City in the Sky' Which I beliieve uncle Al has in his collection. If he hadn't put his shelds up he could have checked it out for us.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html#ref4

Wow, this is ignorance! First, Hoffman quotes indeed from the book, but the book qoutes from the white paper, which you can find in the NIST report. Read it up by yourself, it´s Appendix A. Compare to Hoffman. Learn something.

Second, if Hoffman would be "a brilliant researcher" he wouldn´t keep quiet about the fact that the Richard Roth Telegramm is just a copy of the PANY white paper (a fact his own source tells him, cf. my citation here).

I will leave the discussion for now, Bill. Not only do you lack basic knowledge about your very own sources, also almost everything you state here is pure (and somewhat random) opinion.