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Waterboy Speculates on How They Got the Nano-Thermite In

NASA also uses thermite technology, for space separation explosives and for initiators, and as with the improvised explosive devices that kill our soldiers in the Middle East, there is no need for extensive wiring to detonate them.
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Now the Iraqi insurgents are using thermite to demolish buildings too?
 
A W Smith said:
My point was he is so steeply soaked in WOO and incompetent that it seems he has either become unemployable. OR has latched onto the movement to provide his income through speaking engagements and authorship.
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Sure, that's fine. My own point was less any critique of such questioning (it may have come off as that, but it wasn't intended to) and more to point out that I couldn't give less of a damn whether he's employed or not. I'm also letting truthers know that I don't judge the quality or veracity of a truther's claim by his employment, but by the claims' inherent virtues or lack thereof. Ryan's lying whether he's gainfully employed or not; you and I both obviously agree on that.

A W Smith said:
He even lies about the reason he was fired
Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation.
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False
Court records show otherwise.
He was fired for misrepresenting his employer by using company letterheads for purely personal agenda driven opinions.
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Yes, I saw that. That disgusts me. He can try to spin things all he wants, but the information contradicting this ridiculous lie is easy to find.
 
ElMondoHummus said:
Sure, that's fine. My own point was less any critique of such questioning (it may have come off as that, but it wasn't intended to) and more to point out that I couldn't give less of a damn whether he's employed or not. I'm also letting truthers know that I don't judge the quality or veracity of a truther's claim by his employment, but by the claims' inherent virtues or lack thereof. Ryan's lying whether he's gainfully employed or not; you and I both obviously agree on that.



Yes, I saw that. That disgusts me. He can try to spin things all he wants, but the information contradicting this ridiculous lie is easy to find.
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Would you believe some moron claims I am Kevin Ryan cause I posted his court documents?

ETA - posted as in having a web page.
 
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I saw this boring article of Ryan's over the weekend.

It's the kind of connect-the-dots that "thinking" truthers (you know who you are you JREF sorts - don't make me name names) just plain love. On the couple of sites where I've seen it commented on, it's eliciting posts saying "Great Research!" and similar.

"Great research" evidently means "lots of copied stuff". This crap reminds me of doing term papers in Junior High School. You'd just copy lists and sections of articles out of the encyclopedia and hope the teacher didn't realize that you hadn't the slightest knowledge of Byzantin Architecture before you started the report and that you have just as little knowledge of the subject now that you've completed the assignment.

He just went out and got a list of tenants and then did a google for "XXXX & scandal", or something similar.

I mean - he's got the Deutsche Bank in there. Gasp! You mean they had nazi money? Who'd a thunk it? But his proof? Nothing. Zip. Nil. Nada. Rien. Null.

In Ryan world, anyone who ever did any business of any sort with the government, or a company that did business with the government, or a company that did business with a company that did business with the government.... Is Proof of An Inside Job.
 
LashL said:
He is, indeed. Fortunately for Waterboy, however, most of those whom he purports to accuse of complicity in mass murder tend to pay no mind to blathering nutjobs on the street corner.
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More importantly, I think, is that almost no one else pays attention to him, either.
 
ElMondoHummus said:
Okay. Own up. Why you lyin' about why you got fired? :D
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More to the point would be why did I have to get the court documents from LashL (who must be Kevin Ryan herself since she has a web page detailing her wrongful dismissal) Idiot posts over in the science forum. Guess it is proof that not everybody that claims to have a scientific mind is sane.
 
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It doesn't even qualify as connect the dots

Foolmewunz said:
I saw this boring article of Ryan's over the weekend.

It's the kind of connect-the-dots that "thinking" truthers (you know who you are you JREF sorts - don't make me name names) just plain love. On the couple of sites where I've seen it commented on, it's eliciting posts saying "Great Research!" and similar.

"Great research" evidently means "lots of copied stuff". This crap reminds me of doing term papers in Junior High School. You'd just copy lists and sections of articles out of the encyclopedia and hope the teacher didn't realize that you hadn't the slightest knowledge of Byzantin Architecture before you started the report and that you have just as little knowledge of the subject now that you've completed the assignment.

He just went out and got a list of tenants and then did a google for "XXXX & scandal", or something similar.

I mean - he's got the Deutsche Bank in there. Gasp! You mean they had nazi money? Who'd a thunk it? But his proof? Nothing. Zip. Nil. Nada. Rien. Null.

In Ryan world, anyone who ever did any business of any sort with the government, or a company that did business with the government, or a company that did business with a company that did business with the government.... Is Proof of An Inside Job.
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It's worse than that because there are no dots to connect. Hes taking a victim list and constructing a conspiracy out of six degrees of separation.
Kevin Ryan is an utter moron and has been since day one.
 
The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.

UL's lawyers, coincidentaly, only share 1 degree of separation from Goldman Sachs, and a few other doozies. I love this game.

I understand that Kevin Ryan has made some pretty interesting claims, not all of which are true, probably not most of all are true. However, a thread on JREF, devoid of Truthers, which only serves to insult and further debase a person, seems useless.

If a Truther were to stumble over this garbage of a thread, he wouldn't pay it a second thought. This thread is the exact opposite of the various topic summation's made by Sunstealer.(I think this is his/her name....you're all familiar with the posts)

This isn't even a legitimate pre-emptive debunking thread for information soon to be released....this is old news boy-os.
 
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ImANiceGuy said:
The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.

UL's lawyers, coincidentaly, only share 1 degree of separation from Goldman Sachs, and a few other doozies. I love this game.

I understand that Kevin Ryan has made some pretty interesting claims, not all of which are true, probably not most of all are true. However, a thread on JREF, devoid of Truthers, which only serves to insult and further debase a person, seems useless.

If a Truther were to stumble over this garbage of a thread, he wouldn't pay it a second thought. This thread is the exact opposite of the various topic summation's made by Sunstealer.(I think this is his/her name....you're all familiar with the posts)

This isn't even a legitimate pre-emptive debunking thread for information soon to be released....this is old news boy-os.
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You confirm Ryan has nothing but wild claims you call interesting. Is interesting a code word for insane. How do you insult a false information spreader; a fraud?

Ryan never had evidence just like all of truther-ville and his fantasy needs no preemptive debunking.
 
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ImANiceGuy said:
The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.

UL's lawyers, coincidentaly, only share 1 degree of separation from Goldman Sachs, and a few other doozies. I love this game.
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Then don't hesitate to show us that UL's lawyers perjured themselves.

You know Ryan's claims of being fired for whistle blowing were dismissed with prejudice? Ryan was even foolish enough to publish those letters on the web
 
ImANiceGuy said:
The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.

UL's lawyers, coincidentaly, only share 1 degree of separation from Goldman Sachs, and a few other doozies. I love this game.

I understand that Kevin Ryan has made some pretty interesting claims, not all of which are true, probably not most of all are true. However, a thread on JREF, devoid of Truthers, which only serves to insult and further debase a person, seems useless.

If a Truther were to stumble over this garbage of a thread, he wouldn't pay it a second thought. This thread is the exact opposite of the various topic summation's made by Sunstealer.(I think this is his/her name....you're all familiar with the posts)

This isn't even a legitimate pre-emptive debunking thread for information soon to be released....this is old news boy-os.
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Here is another link! I like the part where the Judge points out that Waterboy is a waterboy! http://www.insd.uscourts.gov/opinions/aph700o2.pdf
 
ImANiceGuy said:
The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.

UL's lawyers, coincidentaly, only share 1 degree of separation from Goldman Sachs, and a few other doozies. I love this game.

I understand that Kevin Ryan has made some pretty interesting claims, not all of which are true, probably not most of all are true. However, a thread on JREF, devoid of Truthers, which only serves to insult and further debase a person, seems useless.
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He's made some "interesting claims"? Like Lizzie Borden made some exploratory cuts? I can't recall hearing bald-face lies referred to as "pretty interesting claims" before.

If a Truther were to stumble over this garbage of a thread, he wouldn't pay it a second thought. This thread is the exact opposite of the various topic summation's made by Sunstealer.(I think this is his/her name....you're all familiar with the posts)
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Seems you're contradicting your own conclusion. You obviously gave it quite a few more than first and second thoughts.


This isn't even a legitimate pre-emptive debunking thread for information soon to be released....this is old news boy-os.
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Before we debunk it, someone needs to bunk it. There is nothing of any substance in the article. A list of tenants on a grand total off 200 floors of office towers contains some names of companies that at one time in their history did something in relation to any of forty different red flag items according to the likes of conspiradroids?
What would you like us to debunk? Speculation and dot connecting.

Here's the debunk:

Dear Kevin,
Please advise when you will be publishing the photos of the perps in action and the documents proving your WAG speculations. If not, STFU.


ETA: Sorry Beachnut. Hadn't seen that you made much the same points.
 
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"Other very powerful and well-connected people worked in senior management at Marsh. These included Stephen Friedman, a senior principal at Marsh Capital and former partner at Goldman Sachs, who later became George W. Bush’s top economic advisor. Friedman was also a member of the Brookings Institution, the Bilderberg group, the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and the board at In-Q-Tel, the investment firm founded by the CIA in 1998. In-Q-Tel invests in state of the art technologies related to defense and intelligence work, including nano and chemical technologies, according to its website." - Ryan

This is an interesting claim. However, it is not a "bold-faced" lie.

The next best link provided says this:

UL describes Mr. Ryan’s claims of alleged flaws in the official explanation for the World Trade Center collapses as the product of “outrageous conspiracy theories.” (See, e.g., Def.’s (First) Mem. Supp. 2.) However, the substance of his allegations is not presently an issue. Pending before the court is a motion to dismiss pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6). At this stage, the key issue is simply whether Indiana law recognizes the sort of wrongful discharge claims that Mr. Ryan alleges.

as well as this:

Regardless of the substance of Mr. Ryan’s allegations, he remained an at-will employee. The rights that Mr. Ryan was exercising and the duties that he was fulfilling do not give rise to a public policy exception allowing a lawsuit for wrongful discharge. The court therefore GRANTS UL’s motion to dismiss this claim.

So basically, UL fires him after he sends crazy 9/11 Theory email from work. When Ryan sues, his case is dismissed because he has no grounds to file suit. It has no effect whatsoever on his credibility, and anyone who thinks otherwise is being unjust. With Prejudice only means he cannot re-file his lawsuit. Besides, what new information does he provide? It seems his whole article is just linking the global business elite....like its new information business networks exist.

What I find drole, is that you can find a million of the same pages on the internet, where guys have written about secret societies, and drawn links from one banker to the next, owls and fractional reserves......and more than anything, theories on 9/11 conspiracies......the kooks are abound. Lies are not regulated via Internet.

Why don't you just leave him alone? He's happy to leave you alone I imagine....If he was any different they would have enacted SSP.

Talk to me instead, tell me why your life's so hard...
 
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ImANiceGuy said:
The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.
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The documents from waterboys' lawsuit are all posted here, if you're interested. They are pretty much old news since his complaints were dismissed back in 2007 and despite his bleatings and despite his solicitation of donations long after his complaint was dismissed, he never did file an appeal.
 
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