Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?

[Ragnarok]

So are you saying there is no good evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?

Dave

Yes, but there's more than enough questions been raised for a good detective to want to re-open the case.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yes, but there's more than enough questions been raised for a good detective to want to re-open the case.

Which ones do you think haven't been answered? Those would count as "best piece of evidence", surely.

Dave

 

[Ragnarok]

MikeW and dtugg - Damn, you're good!

Which ones do you think haven't been answered? Those would count as "best piece of evidence", surely.

Dave

Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

 

[Dave Rogers]

At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

OK. Given the audio evidence that additional demolition devices were not used (please don't start talking about thermite, a class of device for which there isn't even a vestige of an existence theorem), why are these questions - even if you personally can't find satisfactory answers for them - of any concern to anyone?

Dave

 

[dtugg]

Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

I don't know when they ruled it out or if it was ever really considered a possibilty but they did look through all the debris - no evidence for explosives was found. It doesn't even matter though. Since there were no extremely loud bangs recorded (any explosive capable of cutting a large steel columns would be very loud) it proves for a fact that there were no explosives used to destroy the WTC. That's why twoofer morons were trying to say it was superdupernanotherm*te. But hilariously, when it was showed that that was impossible, they have come back to conventional explosives (hundreds of tons of them according to Niels Harrit).

 

[funk de fino]

MikeW and dtugg - Damn, you're good!

Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

Page 8, assertion 6.

Steel was all analyzed, inspected and catalogued by forensic examiners, demo teams and city officials.

They would have noticed.

 

[BigAl]

MikeW and dtugg - Damn, you're good!



Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7?

I was in Manhattan and an eyewitness of some of what happened. We had the TV news on when we were not outside watching. In the following days, and spoke to people working on the pile on 9/11.

For those of us that saw WTC1 and 2 collapse, it was obviously caused by the plane impact and fire. there was nothing to suggest man-made demolition. The collapse of WTC1, 2, and 7 looked and sounded nothing like man-made demolition.

WTC7 was on fire all day. The local TV news broadcasts spoke of it every few minutes and reported that if it didn't collapse, it would be a burned-out hulk. Hundreds of eyewitnesses agree with that report. No eyewitnesses describe anything consistent in loudness and timing with man-made demolition.

 

[twinstead]

They didn't search the rubble for evidence of space beams or pink unicorns as possible causes for the collapse either.

 

[BigAl]

Yes, but there's more than enough questions been raised for a good detective to want to re-open the case.

None of which would affect the basic conclusion and story; 19 Islamist hijackers working for ObL captured 4 jets and crashed them. This caused all the death and destruction on 9/11. There ws no man-made demolition and no molten steel under the pile.

 

[FineWine]

MikeW and dtugg - Damn, you're good!



Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

You might take a look at Brent Blanchard's Protec paper.

 

[johnny karate]

Yes, but there's more than enough questions been raised for a good detective to want to re-open the case.

Apparently, all those "good detectives" are of the incredibly lazy and unmotivated variety.

 

[alienentity]

Brent Blanchard's report is linked to in funk de fino's post above. (#766)

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5000536#post5000536

Other demolition experts were also present at GZ shortly after 9/11 to assist in cleanup.
Apart from the fact that they didn't see any physical evidence of explosive demolition (something which would be exceedingly unlikely if a CD had actually been the culprit) they also give insights into the collapses themselves.

Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition is quoted here:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=3C7...h9WeCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9

And you can read the FEMA report here.

 

[theprestige]

Yes, but there's more than enough questions been raised for a good detective to want to re-open the case.

Which totally explains all the thousands of good detectives from every metropolitan police department, county sherrif's office, state police, federal agency, and university forensics lab all clamoring for a new investigation and flooding our world with their unanswered questions.

Oh, wait...

 

[Justin39640]

Which totally explains all the thousands of good detectives from every metropolitan police department, county sherrif's office, state police, federal agency, and university forensics lab all clamoring for a new investigation and flooding our world with their unanswered questions.

Oh, wait...

[truthmode]sure, guys on the payroll huh? rotflmao!!1!!11!!!1[/truthmode]

 

[Scott Sommers]

Strangely, the logistics of a conspiracy and how this fits the data from 911 has never been accepted by the TM as a reasonable argument. It's strange that large numbers of completely unprepared people will instead try to argue about physics and structural engineering. The idea of 'faking' something like the Pentagon crash or the planning necessary to demolish WTC 1, 2, and 7 is mind-boggling.

I guess my point is that the fact that detectives, engineers, fire investigators, etc seem quite uninterested in their claims does not seem to matter much to the TM which is increaingly represented by whackos, creepy bad-educated white boys, some marginal scientists, and an increasing number of anti-Semites.

 

[beachnut]

MikeW and dtugg - Damn, you're good!



Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

Explosives were ruled out because not one person died of blast effects, not one piece of the WTC had blast effects, and there was no evidence of explosives found at the WTC. Gee you have easy questions and this was not a couple it was one.

From an engineering stand point there was no need for explosives.
From a sound stand point there were no sounds of explosives.

As for thermite... Jones made this up 4 years after 911 without any evidence. Thermite leaves products of thermite; look it up! Thermite would be easy to prove if you doubt me go get some thermite and light it up!

 

[Gravy]

The "indestructible passport". Name one other personal item that survived the plane's impacts?

The identified body parts of the people on the planes.

Aside from that, this link is on the home page of my website. How did you miss it?

Photos & Accounts of 9/11 Aircraft Parts, Personal Effects, and Documents in NYC

On the street, standing in a shower of office paper and the siding from the building, he found a piece of paper. It was an airliner's itinerary, listing information about a flight from Boston to Los Angeles. Source


"...I noticed in the courtyard that there were valises, suitcases, strewn about the courtyard. There were wallets everywhere, broken glass, and then I noticed that there were airplane tickets." FDNY firefighter John Moribito


Along with the letter was a note: ''To whom it may concern. This was found floating around the street in downtown New York. I am sorry if you suffered any loss in this tragedy. Sincerely, a friend in New York!''

...Since then, Mrs. Snyder, a customer service representative at a grocery store, has discovered that she has one of only two pieces of mail known to have been recovered from the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. At least one auction house has contacted her, saying she could sell the letter for tens of thousands of dollars. Source


Lisa Anne Frost was 22 and had just graduated from Boston University in May 2001 with two degrees and multiple academic and service honors. She had worked all summer in Boston before coming home, finally, to California to start her new life. The Rancho Santa Margarita woman was on United Flight 175 on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, when it became the second plane to slam into the World Trade Center.

...In February, the day of the Columbia tragedy, we got word they'd found her United Airlines Mileage Plus card. It was found very near where they'd found a piece of her right hip. We imagine that she used the card early on the morning of Sept. 11 to get on the plane and just stuck it in her back pocket, probably her right back pocket, instead of in her purse. Source​

The discovery of a foot and leg and a cockpit seat led to speculation that one of the pilots had been found, Goldberg said. Source


DNA extractions were done on every one of the 19,906 remains, and 4,735 of those have been identified. As many as 200 remains have been linked to a single person.

The 1,401 people identified include 45 of those aboard the hijacked planes - 33 from Flight 11, which struck the north tower, and 12 from Flight 175, which hit the south tower. Source

You'll find photos and descriptions of many personal effects recovered from the Pentagon and Shanksville crashes, at their respective pages on my site.

Your response?

 

[Baylor]

Here's a couple to be going along with. At what point did the official investigation rule out the possibility of additional demolition devices being used in towers 1,2 and 7? If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

At what point did the official Warren Commission investigation rule out the possibility that JFK had died from AIDS?

If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

 

[Ragnarok]

You'll find photos and descriptions of many personal effects recovered from the Pentagon and Shanksville crashes, at their respective pages on my site.

Your response?

I don't recall mentioning the Pentagon or Shanksville, but I accept I was wrong about what I did mention, despite the finding of the passport being suspiciously fortuitous.

At what point did the official Warren Commission investigation rule out the possibility that JFK had died from AIDS?

If during the clean-up operation they hadn't even considered the possibility, what chance would they have of finding anything once questions were being asked?

If AIDS had existed in 63, you'd have made a semi-valid point. Do you want to try again?

 

[Justin39640]

I don't recall mentioning the Pentagon or Shanksville, but I accept I was wrong about what I did mention, despite the finding of the passport being suspiciously fortuitous.



If AIDS had existed in 63, you'd have made a semi-valid point. Do you want to try again?

if nanothermite existed in 2001 the TM still wouldnt have a point

i find the JFK analogy quite fitting on more than one level