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Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?

Gravy said:
I care not a whit what you think about how I should spend my days. If you have something new and important to say, nothing is preventing you from saying it.

Have at it, old sport.
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No, no, no, no, no! That's not how it works on here. I raise a dubious point like "the train the terrorists were supposed to be on didn't even turn up", and you and every other debunker piles in and shouts me down. You can't fool me.
 
Ragnarok said:
No, no, no, no, no! That's not how it works on here. I raise a dubious point like "the train the terrorists were supposed to be on didn't even turn up", and you and every other debunker piles in and shouts me down. You can't fool me.
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You seem to be posting in an alternate universe. Good luck with those "people" who you think are trying to fool you. Here, we just watch you fool yourself.

So, Ragnarok, you can't point out anything that I've gotten wrong, and you have no new claims about 9/11 or 7/7, despite your public perturbation about these subjects.

Buh-bye, then, and good luck with your troubles.
 
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Gravy said:
You seem to be posting in an alternate universe. Good luck with those "people" who you think are trying to fool you. Here, we just watch you fool yourself.

So, Ragnarok, you can't point out anything that I've gotten wrong, and you have no new claims about 9/11 or 7/7, despite your public perturbation about these subjects.

Buh-bye, then, and good luck with your troubles.
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And what troubles would these be?
 
Ragnarok said:
I've searched under Gravy + 7/7 bombings and there were no matches.

So, here's a challenge for you Gravy; why don't you put your research and analytical skills to something you are less emotionally involved in, and do your debunking schstick on "our UK conspiracy"?
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Its all junk, the same as 911 stuff. Jihad Jane came unstuck with a poor attempt at this one.
 
Ragnarok said:
Nope, I still can't see it.

I know humour is a hard thing to determine on the internet so I'll stick one of these :D after every light-hearted comment I make, in future.
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Who made 7/7 ripple effect?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcl5YLYvFZA


what is david shayler this week? man,jesus,woman,reptillian,alien or a bed sitting room?


i just think its hilarious that anyone can take a conspiracy video seriously without even knowing who made it.
 
Ragnarok said:
No, no, no, no, no! That's not how it works on here. I raise a dubious point like "the train the terrorists were supposed to be on didn't even turn up", and you and every other debunker piles in and shouts me down. You can't fool me.
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I wonder why not. After all, some of the stupidest, most dishonest people who ever lived have fooled you about the events of 9/11.
 
Ragnarok said:
No, no, no, no, no! That's not how it works on here. I raise a dubious point like "the train the terrorists were supposed to be on didn't even turn up", and you and every other debunker piles in and shouts me down. You can't fool me.
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Since the title of this thread is "Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?", wouldn't it make more sense to raise a rigorous point, if you had one?

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Since the title of this thread is "Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?", wouldn't it make more sense to raise a rigorous point, if you had one?

Dave
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There is no "best piece of evidence" unless the people with the wherewithal to unearth it are prepared to look for it. And I'm sorry to say, but I don't think that is anyone who posts on here.
 
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Ragnarok said:
There is no "best piece of evidence" unless the people with the wherewithal to unearth it are prepared to look for it. And I'm sorry to say, but I don't think that is anyone who posts on here.
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How about any piece of evidence.

Oh...and can you let us know what Gravy has gotten wrong? One thing, maybe? Anything?
 
I'm just gonna say this again...I posted this in another thread but it applies in this one too:

Yup...And there's thousands of video tapes and angles that show evidence to support the official story...10x more than what the twoofers have...

You guys are really just like holocaust deniers...They look at a pile of thousands of bodies and say....well you can't PROVE that there we're more than just that pile of bodies. There's only photographic evidence of thousands of dead jews, not millions...

Every piece of twoofer evidence is not even close to admissable in ANY court of law...Not because the man is keeping you from presenting the evidence, it's because you have no evidence to present.

Think about it...with all the money "pulled"(not a controlled demo term) in from 9/11 truth, alex jones, david icke, Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas over the last NINE YEARS...I'd say you guys SHOULD have enough funds to get started on that reinvestigation...What's holding ya up? I haven't seen any of this so called "evidence" (*cough* disinfo news articles, crappy documentaries and pseudo scientific studies) admitted to a court of law....

The twoofers, just like anyone else in America have a right to a fair trial...so whats holding you guys back?

What's keeping you guys from claiming the Nobel Peace Prize in Physics for disproving the 139,000 architects and engineers that support the offiicial story as opposed to the 780 or so that don't?

You guys are sitting on what could be one of the biggest discoveries of one of the biggest scandals in world history and you've made no afforts other than make some bad movies and hold a few (very bad) lectures.

Put up or shut up...You're crappy videos aren't getting us anywhere closer to the truth...

And before you even try to refute any of this, read the damn 9/11 Commission Report...I as a recovering truther am almost half way through it (it's a big huge fuggin book!!!) But I've been learning A LOT more about the events of that day than Steven Jones could shake a Nano-Thermite Stick of Hush-a-boom at!!!

So before you go around telling people that the commission report is lies and the NIST report is lies, how about reading it for yourself and making up your own damn mind!!!
 
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Ragnarok said:
The "indestructible passport". Name one other personal item that survived the plane's impacts?
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Waleed Iskandar's bank card, flight 11:
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Lisa Anne Frost's mileage card, Flight 175:
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Not personal items, but mail that was on the plane was recovered:

On Oct. 12, it arrived inside a second envelope at Mrs. Snyder's modest white house on Main Street here, and the instant she took it out and saw it, she says, chills just went over me. It was singed and crumpled. A chunk was ripped out, giving the bottom of the envelope she had sent the look of a jagged skyline. Mrs. Snyder's lyrical script had blurred into the scorched paper. The stamp, depicting a World War II sailor embracing a woman welcoming him home, was intact.
Along with the letter was a note: To whom it may concern. This was found floating around the street in downtown New York. I am sorry if you suffered any loss in this tragedy. Sincerely, a friend in New York!

Since then, Mrs. Snyder, a customer service representative at a grocery store, has discovered that she has one of only two pieces of mail known to have been recovered from the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. At least one auction house has contacted her, saying she could sell the letter for tens of thousands of dollars.
One Letter's Odyssey Helps Mend a Wound
New York Times
December 20, 2001
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A seat cushion from Flight 11, according to the photographer:
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And as an example of what was found elsewhere, here's a quote from Liz Glick's "Your Father's Voice", on items recovered from the Flight 93 crash site:

The binder was entitled "Unassociated Personal Effects of Flight 93"... Inside were colour photographs of everything found in Shanksville not clearly linked to a particular person. Jer's wedding ring didn't survive, but seventy other pieces of jewelry did, along with a bewildering variety of scrunchies, hats, belts, bras, dresses, T-shirts, unmatched shoes, and other items that somehow escaped the heat, some virtually unmarred. Then there were keys, books, gift cards, letters, photographs, compact discs, pens, medallions... Some of the shoes were badly mutilated, disturbing evidence of the violence to which they'd been subjected. There was a length of electrical cord, a crumpled cigarette lighter, eighteen toenail clippers in various states of mangling. There were many snapshots of children, most painstakingly glued back together...
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Sources and more on this page.
 
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