Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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bill smith said:
A 'contranym' is a word like 'sanction'.

Sanction,v.....def..[Give authority or permission to]

Yet the modern usage is most often assocoated with 'placing sanctions on' some country. Essentially denying them permission in one way or another.

So now we know what a 'logical fallacy'is and what a 'contranym' is. We all learn every day on the jref.
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Stop babbling and tell us what Mackey got wrong, fraud.
 
bill smith said:
Do you mean from the beating I'm taking here today ?
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Today's beating is very severe, but no more so than the beatings you receive every day. You tell incredibly stupid lies, you twist yourself into knots trying defend embarrassingly indefensible idiocy, and you are incapable of learning a blessed thing. How can you hope for better?

Defend your latest desperate throw, the hopelessly discredited no-plane insanity, by explaining what Mackey got wrong. Yes, the deranged Nazi Killclown and his colleagues in lunacy Morgan Reynolds and Jim Fetzer think that a 100-ton airliner moving almost 500 mph will not break steel columns and windows. Every sane person in the world laughs at their stupidity. Tell us how these imbeciles have managed to turn our understanding of physics upside down.
 
bill smith said:
a wall of 14"x14" (comprised of 3/8" thick steel plate) perimeter box-columns spaced at 3'-4" on center and lying braced against 4" thick reinforced concrete floors at every 12 feet. While these may have been only 14'' wide they were also 14'' DEEP and lying braced against the reinforced concrete floors at 12 foot intervals. Ansolutely EXCELLENT shock absorbers as you can imagine. In crushing they should have stopped the plane dead on the outside of the building. Maybe the engines and landing gear would have penetrated but that is it.

Then the plane- 150 spread-out tons of of aluminium sheet as thin as 1mm in the fuselage and possiby 4mm in the wings. Spread out over a width of 125 feet and a length of 155feet. The only hard points were the two six-ton engines, the aluminium wing spars and the llanding gear. The fuselage had a diameter of 13 feet or one foot larger than the space between the floors.

Yet this somewhat spidery assembly of light aluminium is supposed to have bludgeoned it's way through the above described columns- 33 of them, wingtips and all. And all without losing as much as a gram of itself on the impact side of the building . Not only that- it went on to destroy up to ten of the truly massive core columns and partially carrying on to exit the building through perhaps a dozen more identical perimeter columns to the ones described above.

The impact is supposed to have caused the 500,000 ton building to sway back and forth for four minutes. Yet the plane itself weighed only one quarter of one half of one tenth of one percent the weight of the building.

So what do you think ? Does it add up?
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Yes, because the plane was moving fast.

Yes, that does explain it.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
The impact is supposed to have caused the 500,000 ton building to sway back and forth for four minutes. Yet the plane itself weighed only one quarter of one half of one tenth of one percent the weight of the building.
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So your accounting the weight of the entire building as opposed to the portion that was hit, as a part of your analogy.

1st off, the entire 500,000 tons of building weren't hit by the plane, hence the entire building didn't sway, only the upper half...Which coincidentally was also hit by a massive f*cking plane loaded to the brim with jet fuel...

Funny how the twoofers never even incorporate the planes AT ALL in their evidence.
 
Sunray Breaker said:
So your accounting the weight of the entire building as opposed to the portion that was hit, as a part of your analogy.

1st off, the entire 500,000 tons of building weren't hit by the plane, hence the entire building didn't sway, only the upper half...Which coincidentally was also hit by a massive f*cking plane loaded to the brim with jet fuel...

Funny how the twoofers never even incorporate the planes AT ALL in their evidence.
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The planes are just so terribly inconvenient to them. You almost have to sympathize with the no-planers for trying to wish them away.
 
bill smith said:
THere are HUGE anomalies and well you know it. See if you can reeconcile this ? (below) I won't hold my breath and neither should anybody else.Failure to answer this question convincingly Grizzly may well mean that 9/11 was an inside job. Keep that in mind.

How could the plane put so much energy into causing the building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
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dtugg said:
There are no anomolies. The only thing that you have showed is your total and complete ignorance. My eleven year old brother probably understands physics better than you. I guess you shouldn't feel too bad about it, you're probably only a few years older than him.
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And your brother is clearly more mature than bill by a fairly wide margin.

"Failure to answer this question convincingly Grizzly may well mean that 9/11 was an inside job"...

is right up there in "fantasy factor" with ...

"if this coin toss comes up heads, then I am the long lost prince of the richest kingdom in the world, and my real parents are looking for me, and when they find me I'll be rich, and have servants, and won't have to wash behind my ears, or clean up my room, or do stupid homework. And if the mean old JREFers made fun of me then, I'd just have one of my dad's soldiers go & kill them, and then they wouldn't be laughing any more...

C'mon, heads.

Darn it...!!

Two out of three..."

Yeah, there is NO POSSIBLE explanation for a 1300' tall building to SWAY if a 100 ton, 450 mph object plows into it...

And the 390 page, exquisitely detailed explanation that NIST gave in NCSTAR 1-2B (Appendices Chapter 1 - 11) is "all made-up mumbo-jumbo, that NIST decided to publish. Counting on the fact that not one single competent engineer or physicist would bother to scan thru it & humiliate them for incompetence"...

Kinda leaves one awestruck, don't it?

Tom
 
There were a stundie nomination a few months back where a truther had compared mass of building and plane and gotten a relationship close to human and shotgun slug.
Oooops.:D

That sounded bad so the speed was scaled by slug/plane mass and came to a harmless sounding result.
 
bill smith said:
do you really think that a plane that weighs 0.03% of the weight of the building it strikes one third of the way down from the top is going to make the building sway back and forth for four minutes as well as destroying all those massive steel columns ? Especially when the plane is made of aluminium ? Some of it as thin as 1mm ?
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Pssst, bill...

The building would have swayed back & forth EXACTLY like it did if you'd hit it with 100 tons of paper, jello or feathers moving at the same speed.

Even if the paper, jello or feathers were cut up so that they were .005 mm thick.!

Some folks just don't get it.

Doesn't seem to stop 'em from "lol-ing" foolishly, tho.
 
tfk said:
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Pssst, bill...

The building would have swayed back & forth EXACTLY like it did if you'd hit it with 100 tons of paper, jello or feathers moving at the same speed.

Even if the paper, jello or feathers were cut up so that they were .005 mm thick.!

Some folks just don't get it.

Doesn't seem to stop 'em from "lol-ing" foolishly, tho.
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What a load of xxxx you do talk T. Can you answer the question I put tp Grizzly ? I mean a real answer ?

How could the plane put so much energy into causing the building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
 
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bill smith said:
THere are HUGE anomalies and well you know it. See if you can reeconcile this ?
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Momentum = P
P=mv

m= 100 tones converted to kilograms = 100000 kg
V= 450 MPH converted to meters/second = 2376000 ft per hour = 724204.8 meters per hour

724204.8 meters/60 minutes = 12070.08 meters/minute

12070.08/60 seconds = 201.168 m/s

Pmomentum = 100000 kg * 201.168 m/s

Pmomentum = 20,116,800 kg-m/s

Kinetic Energy
E=1/2mv2M = 100000 kg
V = 201.168 m/s

E= (1/2) * 100000 * 201.1682E= 2,023,428,211.2 Joules

Somebody want to proof read the math to make sure I applied the conversions right? I fear I might be slightly rusty with KE calculations...

The numbers I picked for mass and velocity aren't precise, just approximations
That's what went into shearing the column connections, and this wasn't distributed even;y, it was applied suddenly and to a single area. That is an enormous load for a small area to take
 
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bill smith said:
What a load of xxxx you do talk T. Can you answer the question I put tp Grizzly ? I mean a real answer ?

How could the plane put so much energy into causing the building to sway back and forth and still have gone through those columns in a flash like it did ?
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He is a real engineer, "truther." He did answer your question, but you didn't notice. Mackey also answered your questions in the lecture you lied about watching.


You're done.
 
tfk said:
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Pssst, bill...

The building would have swayed back & forth EXACTLY like it did if you'd hit it with 100 tons of paper, jello or feathers moving at the same speed.

Even if the paper, jello or feathers were cut up so that they were .005 mm thick.!

Some folks just don't get it.

Doesn't seem to stop 'em from "lol-ing" foolishly, tho.
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Pssst:
The building swayed back and forth when the WIND Blew, too.
at 11 sec/cycle, 4 minutes is only 240/11=21.81 cycles... which says the dampers were trashed!
Could that inconvenient airplane have something to do with that?
 
tfk said:
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And your brother is clearly more mature than bill by a fairly wide margin.

"Failure to answer this question convincingly Grizzly may well mean that 9/11 was an inside job"...

is right up there in "fantasy factor" with ...

"if this coin toss comes up heads, then I am the long lost prince of the richest kingdom in the world, and my real parents are looking for me, and when they find me I'll be rich, and have servants, and won't have to wash behind my ears, or clean up my room, or do stupid homework. And if the mean old JREFers made fun of me then, I'd just have one of my dad's soldiers go & kill them, and then they wouldn't be laughing any more...

C'mon, heads.

Darn it...!!

Two out of three..."

Yeah, there is NO POSSIBLE explanation for a 1300' tall building to SWAY if a 100 ton, 450 mph object plows into it...

And the 390 page, exquisitely detailed explanation that NIST gave in NCSTAR 1-2B (Appendices Chapter 1 - 11) is "all made-up mumbo-jumbo, that NIST decided to publish. Counting on the fact that not one single competent engineer or physicist would bother to scan thru it & humiliate them for incompetence"...

Kinda leaves one awestruck, don't it?

Tom
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It leaves one's senses reeling. Is it possible for a human to be that obtuse? Posters on this forum are torn between regarding Bill as a goofball who loves pulling people's chains in a grotesque, bad-taste game and as one of the most unteachable, profoundly ignorant humans alive. I don't know--I just don't know.
 
FineWine said:
It leaves one's senses reeling. Is it possible for a human to be that obtuse? Posters on this forum are torn between regarding Bill as a goofball who loves pulling people's chains in a grotesque, bad-taste game and as one of the most unteachable, profoundly ignorant humans alive. I don't know--I just don't know.
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After 2+ years of dealing with him, I can tell you without a doubt that he is NOT a prankster. He really just doesn't understand.

Which makes his strutting all the more amusing.

Right now, he is talking smack about how he's gonna "tackle" Ryan Mackey on this very issue here: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post124408

It simply leaves you shaking your head.

Until you run into the ugly underbelly of his assertions, which requires that all sorts of heroic people be traitors & murderers.

All of the above is easily observable in his posts. I'll stop there. I get in trouble with the mods whenever I speculate on his motives... :covereyes

Tom
 
tfk said:
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Right now, he is talking smack about how he's gonna "tackle" Ryan Mackey on this very issue here: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post124408
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Ah sweet... you also got a guy to generate a stundie pose.

Now your being stupid. It's not hundreds of tons of explosives. Ask the experts on explosives and yes there is such a thing a silent explosives can you hear them under water while standing on land, before the pressure reaches reachs the top of the water? The first clue, the plane or missile hits the towers, loudly, gets people's attention, lot of ground sounds, sirens, people taking and firemen shouting, grounding out the smaller boom sounds going off above. The basements with shape chargers going off maybe at the same time the plane or missile hits the towers, thus making them weak enough to hold for sometime till the weight of the building starts adding heavier pressure to the cuts. Only a few beams in special places may have held up longer they thought or they wanted it to last long enough to look like the building fell on its own. Shape charges uses thermite packed in a pipe and placed between the "I" beams can also be set by timer, remote, or a fuse which ever the experts think is needed. By remote, could have been from the chopper that was hovering the docks near by. You still don't think it was planned to go after Saddam Hussien and the oil in Iraq. They used Afganistain as a detour to make the turn toward Iraq.
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These perpetrators sure were dumb to complicate the plan any more than it had to be... :D
 
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tfk said:
Right now, he is talking smack about how he's gonna "tackle" Ryan Mackey on this very issue here: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post124408
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:D That'll be the day.

I put his silly hide on Ignore many months ago, after he tried claiming that al-Qaeda was a complete fabrication made up specifically for September 11th, and that there'd been no mention of them at all prior to 1998. That was all I needed.

In retrospect, it was a good move. The rest of y'all have been chasing him and his no-plane moonbattery around for hundreds of pages since then. Well, the time is yours to waste, I guess.
 
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