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ESP and Reincarnation

shuttlt said:
How can that be if they keep throwing off the lie detector?
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How could they possibility throw off a lie detector if they don't exist?

I maintain that they don't exist.

But let's not go there. I'm at the point where I would like to move on.

Bob
 
Bob Guercio said:
I'm at the point where I would like to move on.

Bob
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Probably a good idea, because if you want to convince people on this forum, you'd need some solid evidence. I mean, if your goal is to find or gain people who share your beliefs, you're in the wrong place at a skeptics' forum. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing your thoughts here. Even though we won't agree on your theories, it did find them somewhat interesting, and you seem like a pleasant person.

I do believe in meditation but let's not go there!
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The benefits of meditation have been sufficiently proven, not a matter of belief but facts, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Tyooby said:
Even though we won't agree on your theories, it did find them somewhat interesting, and you seem like a pleasant person.
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Thank you and likewise!


Tyooby said:
The benefits of meditation have been sufficiently proven, not a matter of belief but facts, as far as I'm concerned.
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I agree and it's nice to leave on a note of agreement.

Bob
 
Tyooby said:
you're in the wrong place at a skeptics' forum.
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Actually I don't think that I am because I am of the opinion that there is a tremendous amout of B.S. out there. And I hear you guys laughing!

By the way! Somewhere during the course of this thread, it was insinuated that I was a troll. I do believe that I've dispelled that thought!

A pain in the ass! Maybe! :):)

Bob
 
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Bob you havn't given any reason why you believe in reincarnation, so it's a unsubstantiated belief and of no use for anything.
 
Hi Bob,

I don't recall if this was asked so sorry if it has been addressed: What is the point? You have no justification for your belief, you don't care about proving it to anyone, you can't seem to rationalize it even to yourself, you don't appear to be a troll, you aren't applying for the Million Dollar Challenge. So, why are you here sharing your unevidenced belief on a skeptic's board?
 
RoboTimbo said:
Hi Bob,

I don't recall if this was asked so sorry if it has been addressed: What is the point? You have no justification for your belief, you don't care about proving it to anyone, you can't seem to rationalize it even to yourself, you don't appear to be a troll, you aren't applying for the Million Dollar Challenge. So, why are you here sharing your unevidenced belief on a skeptic's board?
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That is a good question. (no facetiousness intended)

I read about this forum and realized immediately that it was for me. Therefore, I posted an introductory message to introduce myself and proceeded to say something about myself.

Immediately, a dialogue started and it was suggested that we take the conversation elsewhere so here I am.

Believe me, this forum is for me and this whole thread is my introduction to you guys!

Bob Guercio
 
Bob Guercio said:
That is a good question. (no facetiousness intended)

I read about this forum and realized immediately that it was for me. Therefore, I posted an introductory message to introduce myself and proceeded to say something about myself.

Immediately, a dialogue started and it was suggested that we take the conversation elsewhere so here I am.

Believe me, this forum is for me and this whole thread is my introduction to you guys!

Bob Guercio
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Ok, thanks for that. So, a follow-up question then. What do you hope to get out of this board with that kind of introduction?
 
RoboTimbo said:
Ok, thanks for that. So, a follow-up question then. What do you hope to get out of this board with that kind of introduction?
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Then allow me to continue.

I am an atheist and i am very bitter regarding the effect that religion has had and continues to have on the world.

To begin with, there is no logic whatsoever to religion so the practice of religion is stifling to the intellect and demeans humanity. Additionally, the profit motive is very much at work regarding religion and you see it everywhere from the glitter and gold in Rome to the Evangelist tricking innocent believers out of their life savings. This is unconscionable and must be stopped and membership in this forum helps towards that goal.

Religion has caused more death and misery in the world than any other institution of man. Think of the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire, the Crusades, the Thirty Years War, the Holacaust, the Middle East, the Inquisition, etc., etc., etc. The downfall of religion, not that it will really ever happen, would be extremely benefit to humanity.

Unrelated to religion is the fact that I truly like to think deeply and I really enjoy a good intellectual discussion. This is obviously the place for that considering the wide range of message boards that you have. For example, I am currently participating in a discussion on Obama's health care initiative.

Also, I am quite liberal in my thinking and I'm sure that I am among my own kind.

I probably could go on and on but I think I'll stop here.

Thanks for letting me rant. By the way, I do think that I will have the opportunity to rant and rave on this forum from time to time and get it out of my system. I believe that the moderaters use a very high threshold before they interfere or close down a thread and that is how it should be.

This has turned out to be quite an introduction for me!

Bob Guercio
 
Bob Guercio said:
Then allow me to continue.

I am an atheist and i am very bitter regarding the effect that religion has had and continues to have on the world.

To begin with, there is no logic whatsoever to religion so the practice of religion is stifling to the intellect and demeans humanity. Additionally, the profit motive is very much at work regarding religion and you see it everywhere from the glitter and gold in Rome to the Evangelist tricking innocent believers out of their life savings. This is unconscionable and must be stopped and membership in this forum helps towards that goal.

Religion has caused more death and misery in the world than any other institution of man. Think of the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire, the Crusades, the Thirty Years War, the Holacaust, the Middle East, the Inquisition, etc., etc., etc. The downfall of religion, not that it will really ever happen, would be extremely benefit to humanity.

Unrelated to religion is the fact that I truly like to think deeply and I really enjoy a good intellectual discussion. This is obviously the place for that considering the wide range of message boards that you have. For example, I am currently participating in a discussion on Obama's health care initiative.

Also, I am quite liberal in my thinking and I'm sure that I am among my own kind.

I probably could go on and on but I think I'll stop here.

Thanks for letting me rant. By the way, I do think that I will have the opportunity to rant and rave on this forum from time to time and get it out of my system. I believe that the moderaters use a very high threshold before they interfere or close down a thread and that is how it should be.

This has turned out to be quite an introduction for me!

Bob Guercio
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And thanks for that, too. Read the MA again to see what will get you sanctioned. Having an opinion isn't on the list.
 
I've been trying to hold my tongue, but it seems Bob is too good-natured to go off, so I'm gonna do it for him.

What is WRONG with you people?

Seriously. Everything you needed to know about this thread was concluded early on page one -- he has no evidence, is not making a defensible claim, and is merely stating an opinion -- as he was apparently invited to do in the Welcome thread.

Yet you drag the poor guy up and down the skeptical grinder, and then have the gall to accuse him of being an attention whore. He was ready to be done with this thread before the end of page one! It was you people who prolonged it.

Sorry for going off, but really -- the behavior exhibited by (some) skeptics on this thread has been frankly embarrassing. I hope Bob isn't put off by it. I suspect he might learn a lot -- and have a lot to give back -- if he can just get past those who are a little too full of themselves around here.

Okay. 'Nuff said. Now excuse me while I go loosen my shorts.
 
Ryan O'Dine said:
I've been trying to hold my tongue, but it seems Bob is too good-natured to go off, so I'm gonna do it for him.

What is WRONG with you people?

Seriously. Everything you needed to know about this thread was concluded early on page one -- he has no evidence, is not making a defensible claim, and is merely stating an opinion -- as he was apparently invited to do in the Welcome thread.
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All members of the forum are able to post their opinion on the thread. Criticizing "religions" while professing one's own magical beliefs will surely invite members of a critical thinking forum to point out one's own hypocrisy. There are many good-natured Christians (or other theists) on this forum who "merely state an opinion," but that does not mean their opinions are somehow off-limits to criticism based on irrationality.

If I start a forum saying televisions work because leprechauns are inside them painting the back of the screen, does saying that I have no evidence mean anyone who criticizes the belief is suddenly "WRONG" and putting me through the "skeptical grinder?"
 
RoboTimbo said:
And thanks for that, too. Read the MA again to see what will get you sanctioned. Having an opinion isn't on the list.
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Why have you talked about being sanctioned?

Have I said something wrong?

Bob
 
Bob Guercio said:
Why have you talked about being sanctioned?

Have I said something wrong?

Bob
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Nope, not at all. You seemed to be worried about doing something wrong and I just wanted to reassure you that you hadn't. It also seemed that you hadn't read the Membership Agreement since you didn't know what "doing wrong" looked like so I referred you to the MA.

No worries, keep up the good work.
 
Ryan O'Dine said:
I've been trying to hold my tongue, but it seems Bob is too good-natured to go off, so I'm gonna do it for him.

What is WRONG with you people?

Seriously. Everything you needed to know about this thread was concluded early on page one -- he has no evidence, is not making a defensible claim, and is merely stating an opinion -- as he was apparently invited to do in the Welcome thread.

Yet you drag the poor guy up and down the skeptical grinder, and then have the gall to accuse him of being an attention whore. He was ready to be done with this thread before the end of page one! It was you people who prolonged it.

Sorry for going off, but really -- the behavior exhibited by (some) skeptics on this thread has been frankly embarrassing. I hope Bob isn't put off by it. I suspect he might learn a lot -- and have a lot to give back -- if he can just get past those who are a little too full of themselves around here.

Okay. 'Nuff said. Now excuse me while I go loosen my shorts.
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What the H are you blathering about?

Bob has only been asked questions any poster would be asked. The fact that he cannot provide any rational response is not our fault. :boggled:
 
Guys,

I have to ask a question here!

Don't you need people with opinions that differ from your own? How else are you going to be able to have critical discussions.

It seems to me that without differing opinions, all this forum would amount to is a very big "circle jerk".

I really couldn't understand why I was challenged for being here! That's about all that bothered me.

Bob Guercio
 
Bob Guercio said:
Guys,

I have to ask a question here!

Don't you need people with opinions that differ from your own? How else are you going to be able to have critical discussions.

It seems to me that without differing opinions, all this forum would amount to is a very big "circle jerk".

I really couldn't understand why I was challenged for being here! That's about all that bothered me.

Bob Guercio
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What's the point of differing opinions if they can't be challenged?
 
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