Moderated Continuation - Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

Given the well motivated suspicions of controlled demolition and the extremeness of the statistical unliklihood of this anomaly the explosive demolition of WTC1 is a cast-iron certainty.

OH so now you are shift shift shifting from the "first time in history cannard" (again w/out answering the question) to a "statistical unlikelihood" argument?

Really?

the idea of a bomb destroying a city prior to 1945 (well the idea was around from the 1930's) was "stastistically unlikely"

the idea that a man could run faster than a 4 minute mile was shown to be true... the science said so... so the ability to run faster is very "statistically unlikely."

The same is true for a bumblebee... several engineering papers showed they couldnt fly. So they are also statistically unlikely.

try again bill.

are satelights real?
are jets real?
can a rock destroy a forest?
can water cut steel?
can flesh break rock?

come on bill...

why do you shift shift shift, but NEVER answer the question? ARe they too hard for you?

ETA: Statistically unlikely events happen ALL the time. Ask anyone who has left VEGAS with more money than they went there with.

So now you have shifted from FIRST TIME IN HISTORY to "statistically unlikely." IS that ALL you have? REally? Amazing.
 
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Given the well motivated suspicions of controlled demolition and the extremeness of the statistical unliklihood of this anomaly the explosive demolition of WTC1 is a cast-iron certainty.

The fact that buildings fail has been known since we begin building them.
 
Given the well motivated suspicions of controlled demolition and the extremeness of the statistical unliklihood of this anomaly the explosive demolition of WTC1 is a cast-iron certainty.

again. You didn't answer the question. Stay on topic.

Do FIRST TIME IN HISTORY events happen? Yes or no?

Or are you of the idea that if it has never happened before it will never happen?

simple question. Please answer it this time. NOt shift shift shift.
 
OH so now you are shift shift shifting from the "first time in history cannard" (again w/out answering the question) to a "statistical unlikelihood" argument?

Really?

the idea of a bomb destroying a city prior to 1945 (well the idea was around from the 1930's) was "stastistically unlikely"

the idea that a man could run faster than a 4 minute mile was shown to be true... the science said so... so the ability to run faster is very "statistically unlikely."

The same is true for a bumblebee... several engineering papers showed they couldnt fly. So they are also statistically unlikely.

try again bill.

are satelights real?
are jets real?
can a rock destroy a forest?
can water cut steel?
can flesh break rock?

come on bill...

why do you shift shift shift, but NEVER answer the question? ARe they too hard for you?

ETA: Statistically unlikely events happen ALL the time. Ask anyone who has left VEGAS with more money than they went there with.

So now you have shifted from FIRST TIME IN HISTORY to "statistically unlikely." IS that ALL you have? REally? Amazing.

I didn't say 'the first time in history' You said that. I said that it has never, ever ever happened in the entire world history of this planet Earth and that it didn't happen on 9/11 either. The building was brought down by explosive demolition.
Isaac Newton is in full agreement as paraphrased in 'Smith's first Law of WTC1'
 
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I didn't say 'the first time in history' You said that. I said that it has never, ever ever happened in the entire world history of this planet Earth and that it didn't happen on 9/11 either. The building was brought down by explosive demolition.
Isaac Newton is in full agreement as araphrased in 'Smith's first Law of WTC1'

I guess when all else fails you just invent your own physics.
 
I didn't say 'the first time in history' You said that. I said that it has never, ever ever happened in the entire world history of this planet Earth and that it didn't happen on 9/11 either.
facepalm.

Oh bill.
ROFLMAO.

If it never happened in the entier eworld history of the planet, then it does happen, it is by defintion the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.

So yes, you have said that repeatedly.

Never before in the history of the entire world had a city been blown up with a single bomb. Are atom bombs fake?

never before in the history of the entire world had people flown under mechanical power. Are airplanes and jets fake?

never before in the history of the entire world had something been boosted into orbit. Are satelights fake?

The building was brought down by explosive demolition.
Then prove it. It is rather simple. Yet after 8 years none of you twoofs can do it.
not datamined eyewitnesses who when fully examined do not agree with your bs points.
not make believe air squibs.

It should be easy. It should be simple. Yet you can't do it. absolutely amazing.

Isaac Newton is in full agreement as paraphrased in 'Smith's first Law of WTC1'

thank you for demonstrating just how ignorant in uneducated most twoofs are. You do know what a scientific LAW is right? There sure as hell isn't a "smiths law of anything."
 
Please note how you do not add the 100 ton plane and it's fuel payload that crashed into the structure at 500 mph in addition to the subsequent explosion and fires. Is top part C and bottom part A unaffected from this collision?

No, both are of course affected. Does it change anything? Do you need an air plane for a one-way crush by C of A? In my opinion A still cannot be one-way crushed by C.
 
what billy is trying to tell us is

Given the paranoid agenda driven suspicions of controlled demolition and the extremeness of the statistical unliklihood of this anomaly which has never before been attempted in history. the collapse due to uncontrolled fire and aircraft impact of WTC1and 2 is a cast-iron certainty.
 
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what billy Gurl is trying to tell us is

I may not have as much pull as you guys do with the mods around here so perhaps this time one of your own team players would like to report you for altering text that appears under my name (despite requests not to do so)
 
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No, both are of course affected. Does it change anything? Do you need an air plane for a one-way crush by C of A? In my opinion A still cannot be one-way crushed by C.

Which is my point, that your "challenge" has nothing to do with WTC and what happened on 9/11.
 
Sorry about the length of this post. This is just to give debunkers one more chance to provide examples of similar collapses to WTC1. 10% crushes 90%.

bill smith wrote
'' But there is no other example of a building having been crushed down by the lightest one-tenth of itself in the entire world history of construction on the planet Earth Newton. Thousands and ten-thousands of years and millions and millions of buildings say that it is impossible without deliberate demolition. It has never,ever happened.''

'' You cannot show differently using either of the two acceptable methods. Example or modelling Newton. You know why ?......because it can't be done without deliberate demolition.''


Twinstead wrote
'' Well, there's a bunch of pretty qualified people around the world who disagree. I feel comfortable considering your opinion totally worthless in this matter. But thanks for playing.''

bill smith wrote
'' They can disagree all they like. Until they can provide an example or a model the simple fact is that one-tenth of a structure cannot crush the other and stronger nine-tenths of the same structure down to the ground by gravity alone. It has nver been done in the history of this planet and it never will be. Isaac Newton says so. (I can repost Smith's Law if you disagree) ''

bill smith wrote
'' I am coming to realise Newton that we really don't have to prove anything. We have 100% unbroken precedent on our side and it's completely conclusive. Such a collapse has never , ever happened in all the many thousands of years of construction on this planet. We are talking millions upon millions of structures. Isaac Newton is with is to the death on this. The itegrity of his Laws depend on it.''
'' Who do you have ?- Bazant and friends ? Ho ho ho.''


Newtons Bit wrote
'' What precedence? How many 1000 ft tall steel framed buildings have collapsed again '' ?

bill smith wrote
'' Any structure where the top and lightest 10% crushes the other and stronger 90% down flat on the round by gravity alone will do.''
'' PS....and you better be able to come up with something credible and in the true spirit of the argument.'' '' Otherwise WTC1 was demolished without a doubt.''


T O T A L S I L E N C E as a response to this question from Newton's Bit, T, AW Smith,,R.Mackey,Gravy,RWQuinn etc etc.

bill smith wrote
'' Now that we have reversed the burden of proof please feel free to show us your best reasons why WTC1 was not demolished by explosive demolition.''

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148317&page=43

So can we say from these exchanges that no structure on Earth, big or small in the entire history of this planet Earth has ever been known to collapse because the top and lightest 10% crushed the other and stronger 90% down flat on the round by gravity alone ? .
Bear in mind that although WTC1 was hit by a plane the collapse did not commence for a further hour. Therefore the collapse dynamic has to be seen as a seperate physical event and strictly in a structural deformation way. Ten percent crushes 90% in other words.

Absent a convincing answer it seems that the burden of proof is now reversed and you must now show us your best reasons why WTC1 was not demolished by explosive demolition.

Pathetic.

Back on ignore you go. If you actually come up with a reasoned argument, ask someone to quote you.
 
Pathetic.

Back on ignore you go. If you actually come up with a reasoned argument, ask someone to quote you.
Raising your shields will not help Newton. It is painfully obvious that neither you nor your fellows have any answer to the critical question posed to you in that last post. Make no mistake- everybody can see that. It ould not be more obvious.

One-tenth of a structure has never. ever in the entire history of this planet crushed down the other nine-tenths of the same structure to the ground by gravity alone and it never ever will. The real Newton says so. Therefore WTC1 had to be a controlled demolition and no error. End of story.
 
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Raising your shields will not help Newton. It is painfully obvious that neither you nor your fellows have any answer to the critical question posed to you in that last post. Make no mistake- everybody can see that. It ould not be more obvious.

One-tenth of a structure has never. ever in the entire history of this planet crushed down the other 90% of the same structure to the ground by gravuty alone and it never ever will. The real Newton says so.

What does that have to do with the WTC towers, the fires, the structural damage, the floor overloading, and the lack of water for firefighting or sprinklers?
 
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Raising your shields will not help Newton. It is painfully obvious that neither you nor your fellows have any answer to the critical question posed to you in that last post. Make no mistake- everybody can see that. It ould not be more obvious.

One-tenth of a structure has never. ever in the entire history of this planet crushed down the other nine-tenths of the same structure to the ground by gravuty alone and it never ever will. The real Newton says so. Therefore WTC1 had to be a controlled demolition and no error. End of story.

i guess all inventors should just pack it up and go home then? huh?
 
i guess all inventors should just pack it up and go home then? huh?

That's ultimately what the truth movement is arguing, it can't happen because it hasn't before hand! It's just nonsense and the defense of little people who can't admit they don't actually have any evidence of well...anything.
 
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That's ultimately what the truth movement is arguing, it can't happen because it hasn't before hand! It's just nonsense and the defense of little people who can't admit they don't actually have any evidence of well...anything.

We are the painful Truth
Lower your shields
You will be rehabilitated
Normal service will be resumed
Resistance is futile.
 
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One-tenth of a structure has never. ever in the entire history of this planet crushed down the other nine-tenths of the same structure to the ground by gravity alone and it never ever will. The real Newton says so. Therefore WTC1 had to be a controlled demolition and no error. End of story.
If you have a different view of how the collapse should have happened then you have to holy task of demonstrating a sequence of events which is more plausible and more likely than the observed structural failure of both towers. Part of that task is actually knowing what you're talking about, something neither yourself nor Anders have succeeded in demonstrating. Don't waste our time making a claim without backing it up.
 
We are the painful Truth
Lower your shields
You will be rehabilitated
Normal service will be resumed
Resistance is futile.

its just painful to read (the stupidity i mean)

bill
so should all inventors just go home?
according to you they are wasting their time

good thing humans dont actually think that or wed all still be hunter/gatherers full time lol
 
I hope people are finally able to see bill smith for the troll he is. I don't know if his failure to comprehend is voluntary or not, but that's irrelevant. At some point people need to stop feeding him. In one respect he's like christopfera (sp?) but while he was pretty much stuck on one facet of crazy logic, smith will embrace anything to provoke a response.

Continue to satisfy his thirst for attention, but understand you achieve nothing but feeding his ego.
 

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