Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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RobRoy said:
So how do you view that in terms of Jesus and his message? By which I mean that if we agree that Jesus existed, and that he had a message, can we demote him from a purely divine being down to a divinely inspired being? Or was he just a religious revolutionary who had a couple of good ideas, but missed the boat on others?
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If he existed at all, and that's a big IF, he was a fire and brimstone preacher who was different to other fire and brimstone rabbis that he preached an imminent end of times and that the kingdom of god was within, which probably cost him his life.
 
Simon39759 said:
And most of these destinations were, indeed, achieved within their lifetime, or could have easily been.
A single year would be plenty enough for one to reach the furtherest confine of the empire at quite a leisurely pace. And that's not considering how a little, likely uneducated, itinerant preacher might have underestimated the vastness of the world.
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Matthew 28: 18 - 19

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


After the Resurrection Jesus stated "All" power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. This implies He didn't have all power before the Resurrection in his humanly pre-resurrection state. Since he now had all power in his post resurrection state, he had the power to know the population of the earth.

You will notice he said go and teach "all" nations, he didn't say go and teach the nations we know of. If the disciples got to India for example surely some people in India would know of China and Indonesia. Then since Christ said to go to all nations, they would have to go to China (if they had mountain guides) and Indonesia (if they could get a ship). If they got to China then surely some Chinese knew of Korea and Japan. And surely some people in Indonesia knew of Australia and so on and so on with the Islands of the Sea.

There is no way all of this could have been done (reaching all the people in those nations) in 30 years. As I said earlier, there are millions of people in our present world who have never even heard the word Jesus. So there is still a lot of time left before everyone will get a chance to hear the gospel and make a decision. But with cable and Satellite TV and the growth of Christianity in Asia and other places it will be possible for the gospel to reach every human some day.
 
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DOC said:
You're flooding the thread again with your slavery issue; I've already responded to this issue in posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

You need to come up with something new or go find another topic.

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And you can't have goodness and holiness without the opposite of evil existing. The good new is God gives us the great gift of Free Will not to choose evil. Unfortunately some choose evil which is why the world is where it is now. Read the paper.
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Looks like man is much more potent than god since man can destroy god's plan. All your god can do is wring his hands and threaten.
 
DOC said:
Matthew 28: 18 - 19

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


After the Resurrection Jesus stated "All" power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. This implies He didn't have all power before the Resurrection in his humanly pre-resurrection state. Since he now had all power in his post resurrection state, he had the power to know the population of the earth.
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Yeah, he had so much power that he couldn't do the "spread the word" thing himself.:rolleyes:

DOC said:
You will notice he said go and teach "all" nations, he didn't say go and teach the nations we know of. If the disciples got to India for example surely some people in India would know of China and Indonesia. Then since Christ said to go to all nations, they would have to go to China (if they had mountain guides) and Indonesia (if they could get a ship). If they got to China then surely some Chinese knew of Korea and Japan. And surely some people in Indonesia knew of Australia and so on and so on with the Islands of the Sea.

There is no way all of this could have been done (reaching all the people in those nations) in 30 years. As I said earlier, there are millions of people in our present world who have never even heard the word Jesus. So there is still a lot of time left before everyone will get a chance to hear the gospel and make a decision. But with cable and Satellite TV and the growth of Christianity in Asia and other places it will be possible for the gospel to reach every human some day.
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or, more likely, the people who made that part of the story up had no clue how big the world actually was.
 
DOC said:
So then I assume you agree anyone who started preaching publicly about ending the deeply ingrained system of slavery would have quickly been executed as a trouble maker.
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Well that's what he came to Earth to do wasn't it?
 
DOC said:
There is no way all of this could have been done (reaching all the people in those nations) in 30 years. As I said earlier, there are millions of people in our present world who have never even heard the word Jesus. So there is still a lot of time left before everyone will get a chance to hear the gospel and make a decision. But with cable and Satellite TV and the growth of Christianity in Asia and other places it will be possible for the gospel to reach every human some day.
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Won't there always be a newborn baby somewhere who won't have heard of Jesus? What are the implications of that?
 
RobRoy said:
So how do you view that in terms of Jesus and his message? By which I mean that if we agree that Jesus existed, and that he had a message, can we demote him from a purely divine being down to a divinely inspired being? Or was he just a religious revolutionary who had a couple of good ideas, but missed the boat on others?
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He was a nut who deserved his death.
 
And what about all the numerous people who passed away centuries ago who had never heard of "him"?

Oh so many flaws in the argument.

I have to wonder why someone like Doc would come into a forum that generally does not embrace a lot of the teachings of christianity. Could it possibly be to agitate the crowd?
 
Sorry to interrupt.
I've gotten to page 85 of this thread and I'm impressed by the staying power of the posters trying to make some sense out of DOC's posts. Or even f his OP.
More tomorrow.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Won't there always be a newborn baby somewhere who won't have heard of Jesus? What are the implications of that?
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sasquatchx said:
And what about all the numerous people who passed away centuries ago who had never heard of "him"?
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The Bible says God is Just and Right.

Deu 32:4 ...his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.

Christians have faith that God will do the Just and Right thing regarding those who never heard the word while on earth.
 
DOC said:
The Bible says God is Just and Right.

Deu 32:4 ...his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.

Christians have faith that God will do the Just and Right thing regarding those who never heard the word while on earth.
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Translation: "Don't know, God will figure this point out for me."
 
joobz said:
Yeah, he had so much power that he couldn't do the "spread the word" thing himself.:rolleyes:

or, more likely, the people who made that part of the story up had no clue how big the world actually was.
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"But but...Luke was a great historian. William Ramsay said it!!!"
 
DOC said:
So then I assume you agree anyone who started preaching publicly about ending the deeply ingrained system of slavery would have quickly been executed as a trouble maker.
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tsig said:
Well that's what he came to Earth to do wasn't it?
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Christ never said anything about Trespassing, Assault and Battery, Counterfeiting, the inequity of the Roman occupation etc. but that doesn't mean he approved of them.

Here is what Catholics say about this:

From New Advent website:

"Christianity accepts society as it is, influencing it for its transformation through, and only through, individual souls."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14036a.htm

I would assume this to mean, if you can change the heart of the slave master, then the end of slavery will take care of itself.
 
DOC said:
The Bible says God is Just and Right.

Deu 32:4 ...his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.

Christians have faith that God will do the Just and Right thing regarding those who never heard the word while on earth.
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At what age do they no longer get a free pass?
 
DOC said:
Christ never said anything about Trespassing, Assault and Battery, Counterfeiting, the inequity of the Roman occupation etc. but that doesn't mean he approved of them.
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But then he never gave instructions on how to trespass, assault or counterfeit like how he gave instructions on how to treat your slaves, did he?
 
paximperium said:
"But but...Luke was a great historian. William Ramsay said it!!!"
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Yes, the famous archaeologist Sir William Mitchell Ramsay did say that about the Gospel writer and physician, Luke.
 
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