Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

Any opinions on Elsässer's research?

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MPRI[Military Professional Resources] is a private military contractor that provides a wide range of services to both public and private customers, most notably the United States Department of Defense. MPRI specializes in various professions such as law enforcement, security, military training, logistics, etc. By its own account MPRI operates in over 40 countries. The firm is based in Alexandria, Virginia.

A member of International Peace Operations Association (IPOA), MPRI was founded in 1987 by eight ex-officers of the United States Army. It was sold to L-3 Communications in June 2000 for $40 million.
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L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: LLL) is a company that supplies command, control, communications, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (C3ISR) systems and products, avionics and ocean products, training devices and services, instrumentation, space and navigation products. Its customers include the Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Government intelligence agencies, aerospace contractors and commercial telecommunications and wireless customers.

L-3 is headquartered in New York City.

L-3 (named for Frank Lanza, Robert LaPenta, and Lehman Brothers) was formed in 1997 from the purchase of ten former business units of Lockheed Corporation when Lockheed merged in 1996 with Martin Marietta[2]; the ten units were those which the new Lockheed Martin was uninterested in owning.

L-3 has continued to grow since then through numerous acquisitions to become one of the top 10 US government contractors
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Lehman Brothers [...]

On September 11, 2001, Lehman occupied three floors of One World Trade Center where one employee was killed. Its global headquarters in Three World Financial Center were severely damaged and rendered unusable by falling debris, displacing over 6,500 employees. The bank recovered quickly and rebuilt its presence. Trading operations moved across the Hudson River to its Jersey City, New Jersey, facilities, where an impromptu trading floor was built and brought online less than forty-eight hours after the attacks. When stock markets reopened on September 17, 2001, Lehman's sales and trading capabilities were restored.
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Fairly unremarquable coincidence.

Be careful with connecting links, you'll eventually find yourself in the middle of the conspiracy, six degrees of separation and all...
 
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The pseudoskeptics mantra, isolated by Robert Anton Wilson in the early eighties:

It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! It's only a coincidence! ...
 
Well, coincidences do happen.

That the Lehman Brothers had offices in the WTC complex doesn't mean anything.
 
SteveAustin said:
Yes because you need to place a gag order on people who have idiotic ideas!!

[SARCASM]Boy that makes a lot of sense [/SARCASM]

In the real world TAM you place gag orders on people who have real information.
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Well if that is the case, I can safely accept that there is NO gag order in effect for miss Edmonds.

TAM:)
 
Pardalis said:
Well, coincidences do happen.

That the Lehman Brothers had offices in the WTC complex doesn't mean anything.
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Not to you and I, but to the truthers...that is a different story. To them, there are no coincidences.

TAM:)
 
Pardalis said:
Fairly unremarquable coincidence.

Be careful with connecting links, you'll eventually find yourself in the middle of the conspiracy, six degrees of separation and all...
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btw, Pardalis, finding yourself is a good idea and nothing to be afraid of. try it.

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Follow the links:

about Frank Lanza, and L-3

http://www.space.com/spacenews/archive06/Lanza_061206.html

 [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Its space businesses and product lines are vast and include satellite navigation equipment, gyroscopes, momentum wheels and satellite ground terminals. Its hardware can be found on the Hubble Space Telescope, the international space station, Delta rockets and the Ikonos imaging satellites, to name just a few.[/FONT]
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Does that mean that the WTC was vaporised by space beam weapons?

You can make connections with just about everything, and develop a conspiracy theory out of any link.
 
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L-3 has contracts with NASA, Ryan Mackey works for NASA, and Mackey is a prominent 9/11 debunker...

OMG! :boxedin:
 
Childlike Empress said:
Any opinions on Elsässer's research?
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Here's some "research" of mine.

After the attacks four Irish "construction workers" showed up in hospital. They had been working at the WTC under false names and were rushed out of the country.

Weeks before 9/11 several IRA members were held in Columbia, believed to have been working with FARC.

It's been claimed that FARC terrorists received training from al Qaeda.

On 9-11, Richard Haass, a US Special Envoy from Bush was in Dublin.

Haas would surely have met US Ambassador to Dublin at the time, Richard Egan.

Richard Egan was the founder of EMC, who Fortune Magazine said did very well out of 9/11.

( All points sourced at http://911myths.com/html/the_irish_did_it___or_did_they.html )

So: Irishmen at the scene, with false names, not imprisoned or questioned: far more suspicious than the "dancing Israelis". Irish connections to al Qaeda. A distinct shortage of Irish citizens who died on 9/11 (just 1, I believe?) A Bush envoy just "happened" to be in Dublin on 9/11, meeting a man who just "happened" to found a company that profited from the attacks? Come on. How stupid do they think we are? Etc etc.

Or, alternatively, we can look at what actually happened. I purposely set out to construct a "the Irish did it" theory. I looked only for stories that would support that claim, and I ignored contrary evidence. And for 30 minutes work, I don't think I did a bad job. It's a practical demonstration that you can, with very little effort, assemble a number of coincidences to point to just about anything you want, but it's not proof. It's not even evidence. If links are all you have, then you've got nothing at all.
 
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MikeW said:
Here's some "research" of mine.

After the attacks four Irish "construction workers" showed up in hospital. They had been working at the WTC under false names and were rushed out of the country.
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In NYC 10 years ago you couldn't avoid finding illegal Irish, especially in construction.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
It adds to the many hints that "al-Qaeda" issn't controlled by ObL. See thread title, but of course it isn't that simple.
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No, the "research" doesn't say that at all. They may have had a common enemy in Bosnia, but your links don't say that OBL was on a payroll by the US.

And your link to the Lehman Brothers is just ridiculous.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
It adds to the many hints that "al-Qaeda" issn't controlled by ObL. See thread title, but of course it isn't that simple.
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Source for that claim? ObL was in charge of AQ; Here are some of my sources.

Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda Updated 5/22/09
http://911links.webs.com/binLaden.htm

Table Of Contents
[1] NEWS (Jan 2001) Some See U.S. as Terrorists' Next Big Target
[2] (Jan 2001) ObL Tells Reporter that US attacks are comming.
[3] New York Times reports about al Queda about 89 times prior to 9/11/2001
[4] bin Laden quotes
[5] Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology
[6] 1996: bin Laden declares war on America.
[7] ObL attacks on America prior to 2001 listed
[8] Specific attack warnings
[9] Bibliography
[10] 1998 ObL Fatwa calling for attack on the US
[11] Complete 9/11 timeline
[12] Answer to "bin Laden not wanted by FBI"
[13] US Government "Wanted" poster for biin Ladem
 
Childlike Empress said:
It adds to the many hints that "al-Qaeda" issn't controlled by ObL.
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Could you elaborate on this please? Because I see no mention of OBL or al-Qaeda in the information you've provided, nor do I see how one could come to the conclusion you did based on the fact that a particular corporation which owned a private military contractor happened to have offices at the WTC complex.
 
johnny karate said:
Could you elaborate on this please? Because I see no mention of OBL or al-Qaeda in the information you've provided, nor do I see how one could come to the conclusion you did based on the fact that a particular corporation which owned a private military contractor happened to have offices at the WTC complex.
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Mujahadeen went fighting in Bosnia, this is well known. And OBL funnelled them from his base in Sudan. Their enemy were the Serbs, which the UN was also fighting. Alot of those Mujahadeen are part of Al Qaeda, but this doesn't mean the UN or the US were helping or training Al Qaeda. They were just fighting agaisnt the same enemy.
 
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