Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

What does "working for the US" mean these days anyway? All privatized. The Balkan years of Bin Laden are very telling in this regard and seemingly underreported in english media. From an interview with german controversial but professional journalist and Balkan expert Jürgen Elsässer:

[...] You unequivocally state that Osama bin Laden received a passport from Bosnian government. Media seems to discount that. Who’s correct?

That Osama Bin Laden got a passport was documented in 1999 by DANI, a Muslim weekly from Sarajevo. Later in 2001, Zurich "Wochenzeitung" got “more and more evidence" from Interpol that bin Laden had a Bosnian passport, in spite of Sarajevo denying it.

You state “Bin Laden himself discussed the details with the Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic”. What’s the evidence of this personal friendship?

Not friendship, but alliance of interest. Renate Flottau, Spiegel-correspondent for the Balkans, saw Bin Laden 1993/94 at least two times WITH HER OWN EYES in Izetbegovic's palace and even spoke with him. She confirmed it to me personally. She said Izetbegovic didn't like Bin Laden, but needed him.

We see Turkey being used to deliver arms, Iran for buying them, al-Qaeda for providing fighters and Saudis for funding this via its “charitable” organizations. What got these Muslim countries, professing at times antagonism for one another, to come together on Bosnia?

It was not formal alliance, more improvisation. Sudan did most of the smuggling 1992, 1994 Iran took over. Turkey helped with infrastructure, airports in Cyprus and in Anatolia were important as basis for the smuggling. Yossef Bodansky, an Anti-Terrorist-expert at the US Senate, found evidence that Sudanese leader Al Turabi, ObL's host, built close ties between Teheran’s secret service and Bin Laden, despite his religious differences between them.

After Dayton in 1995, we see Chechnya war start, then Kosovo, then Macedonia then 9/11. What’s common to all 5 of these events is Islamic militants and al-Qaeda. Is there a global coordination of these events and if so what’s the goal?

The spider in the net is MPRI, a subcontractor of the Pentagon. They took over the Arab/Iranian weapons-smuggling in 1995, helped the Mujahadeen to "liberate" Sarajevo in September 1995, took the best Mujahadeen fighters after Dayton on their own payroll, trained them with the help of Turkish army and sent them to Kosovo and later to Macedonia. I could not find a link between Chechnya and MPRI, but Aukai Collins, an American Mujahadeen, who fought in Chechnya and had contacts with some of the 9/11 bombers, was at least on the payroll of FBI and CIA. Not Al Qaeda is in the center of all these events, but American secret services, which used Al Qaeda.

Two of the 9/11 hijackers were veteran jihadists in Bosnia. What did they do in Bosnia that made them so exceptionally qualified to kill Americans?

Not two, but five: Al Hazmi and Al Midhar (Plane Nr.3/Pentagon), Mohammed Atta (Plane Nr. 1/WTC) and the "Masterminds" Binalshibh and Khalid Sheikh Mohamed. Al Hazmi and Al Midhar were from Jan. 2000 until 9/11 under surveillance of US-Secret Services as was Atta's flat in Hamburg-Harburg. Binalshibh and Sheikh Mohamed are in US-custody since their arrest in 2002/2003 and are the main witnesses for the Pentagon-Version of 9/11, voluntarily or involuntarily they also work for US-interests. These people killed 3000 people, mostly Americans, but it is likely that they also worked for US secret services.

Is there an al-Qaeda link with the Kosovo Albanian KLA army and if so what is the evidence?

MPRI sent 80 – 120 Mujahadeen into Kosovo to help KLA. This is proven. ObL's own attempts to smuggle men into Kosovo failed. Originally, KLA had a rather weak Muslim influence. KLA are bunch of criminals with a great Albanian nationalist agenda. There's one exception: Hodza (Samedin Xhezairi), who praised himself (in German TV!) as coordinator for the pogroms around Prizren in March 2004. NATO sees him as confident of Bin Laden, but he himself says he has worked for CIA and BND. Another guy with double loyalty is the KLA-successor, so called ANA that is now split into several factions. One branch works with Al Qaeda, and the other is against this alliance.

[...]

Your book details how Pentagon contractor MPRI trained Bosnian and Kosovo Albanian KLA army. Dyn Corp who recently got their bid to buy Belgrade airport approved owns MPRI. Some see conspiracy here. Is there one?

Private companies form a Corporate Military Monster ("Mother Jones"), who does the dirty jobs for US foreign policy all over the world. Is this conspiracy? Some call it simply outsourcing.
 
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interesting article i just found....wow.....

"One of the fighters who benefited from such US largesse was an obscure volunteer from Saudi Arabia with close links to its royal family - Osama bin Laden.

In 1986 the CIA even helped him build an underground camp at Khost, where he was to train recruits from across the Islamic world in the business of guerrilla warfare."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/nov/13/worlddispatch.lukeharding

aside from big als points
DID YOU EVEN READ THE REST OF THE ARTICLE???
the very next line in the article said:
Twelve years later, the Americans bombed the same camp after holding bin Laden responsible for the devastating US embassy bombings in east Africa.

Some 34 people were killed in the Khost attack. Bin Laden left the camp an hour earlier.

By this stage, American policy had come full circle. The cold war over, a new generation of Mujaheddin leaders had sprung up - the Taliban.

so this article you linked does nothing to prove that bin laden worked for the US right up until 911
it debunks it

thank you lol
 
what a story! do you still have his documents?

Hmmm They might kill me if I answer that question.

But I can answer some questions--never knew which of the papers he had were bogus or real. Mostly real I think. The one about Bush Sr. (CIA at that time) being in Cuba during the Kennedy assassination I thought was important-then I saw it posted all over the Internet. But then there was a folder for JFK and one for MLK assassinations, they were obviously propaganda statements written to quote if asked. This was before we all had the Internet so IMHO the doc in question looked real. The least edited one is the one I saw, I hadn't seen the edited copes before. I'll go back and see if I recognize the handwriting in the margins.
 
have any debunkers figured out where this came from yet? i know there is alot of controversy surrounding this "tim osman" thing. Michael Riconosciuto's name pops out at me in this letter considering the whole PROMIS software scandel. and ive glaced at the book gideons spies that talks about mossad having promis: http://books.google.com/books?id=1I...&dq=gideon's+spies#v=onepage&q=promis&f=false

i doubt any "twoofer" would go through the trouble and create something like this....
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It was MR's document. No doubt real from all I saw.
That's his writing in the body of the paper. The notes on the side are Stew Webb's. gunderson posted this on his now defunked website. Why gunderson would post that is a mystery to me. he is a great attention seeker at other's expense.
 
really? this was right before 911....

"Selig Harrison, a long-time regional expert working at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars, says, “the CIA still has close links with the ISI.” Harrison is said to have “extensive contact with the CIA and political leaders in South Asia.” He also claims that the US worked with Pakistan to create the Taliban. [Times of India, 3/7/2001] Similarly, in 2000, Ahmed Rashid, longtime regional correspondent for the Financial Times and the Daily Telegraph, called the US “Pakistan’s closest ally, with deep links to [Pakistan’s] military and the ISI.” Rashid agrees with Harrison that the US had a role in the creation of the Taliban. [Center for Public Integrity, 9/13/2001] "

http://www.historycommons.org/searc...ects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on

Working with doesn't mean that they are supporting/cooperaitng with section which supports extremists.

As for "Taliban claim",it is so far not backed up and there is no support for it.(at least credible/verifiable)
I have read your link,but there are not many sources only,which can be accessed,so it is bit less clear. But one thing should be noted,Bush administration or Bush senior admin. had nothing to do with this and the only thing is that it APPEARS that in the beginning Taliban could be supported and talks about pipeline started,but that was all.

So far no good sources found on this. And you have missed fact,that after initial period any remaining support from CIA ceased.(But nothing more has been done about them.)

ETA:And don't forget that History commons are wiki-like project,so one should be very carefull!
 
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how close was the relationship between the isi and cia?

There are at least some operational links between the two.

In the manhunts following 9/11, a key AQ courier was bagged in a CIA-planned raid with ISI assistance. They raided fourteen safe houses in Pakistan simultaneously, something the limited CIA assets in-country couldn't pull off on their own. Their target wound up getting shot jumping from one building to another, but they took him alive anyway. Can't remember his name for the life of me.

The problem here is that you assume everybody in the ISI is on the same page. It's obvious that rampant corruption exists in Pakistan, otherwise Benazir Bhutto's assassin wouldn't have been able to get so close to her. I'm sure there are elements that would support the CIA and work with them and there are elements that resent that.

Look at Hezbollah. Only a small part of the organization is a true Iranian proxy. Even Nasrallah doesn't know what they're doing half the time.
 
So, what sort of gag order allows her to be off rambling on at any given publicly aired opportunity?

But she hasn't spilled the beans at any of these publicly aired opportunities has she?

Oh My! Oh My! Common sense people, come on!
 
ok, let me restate...

If it turns out there was a gag order placed on her, then I hope they lift it, so we can all (the world at large) hear her lunacy in its entirety.

TAM:D

Yes because you need to place a gag order on people who have idiotic ideas!!

[SARCASM]Boy that makes a lot of sense [/SARCASM]

In the real world TAM you place gag orders on people who have real information.
 
Yes because you need to place a gag order on people who have idiotic ideas!!

[SARCASM]Boy that makes a lot of sense [/SARCASM]

In the real world TAM you place gag orders on people who have real information.

But about what? We all want to hear what she has to day.
 
Hmmm They might kill me if I answer that question.

But I can answer some questions--never knew which of the papers he had were bogus or real. Mostly real I think. The one about Bush Sr. (CIA at that time) being in Cuba during the Kennedy assassination I thought was important-then I saw it posted all over the Internet. But then there was a folder for JFK and one for MLK assassinations, they were obviously propaganda statements written to quote if asked. This was before we all had the Internet so IMHO the doc in question looked real. The least edited one is the one I saw, I hadn't seen the edited copes before. I'll go back and see if I recognize the handwriting in the margins.


Bush senior was not in Cuba at the time of JFK's assassination, nor was he in the CIA. He was one of several businessmen who agreed to cooperate with the CIA. He was not an agent.
 
here's a report that states:

"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- WMR has obtained a confidential "France Only" report of the French intelligence service, Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE), that states that the CIA and Britain's MI-6 maintained effective control of an important Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan as late as 1995, fully two years after the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center......"

and you might be thinking "clasified" wayne if full of it. well, it looks as though it was leaked.


September 11, 2001: The French Knew Much About It

By Guillaume Dasquié
Le Monde

Monday 16 April 2007

It's an impressive mass of documents. From a distance, one would imagine a doctoral thesis. On closer inspection: nothing of the kind. Red stamps "Confidential-Defense" and "Strictly National Usage" on every page. At the top on the left, a royal blue logo: that of the DGSE, Direction générale des services extérieurs [General Directorate for Foreign Services], the French secret services. In total, 328 classified pages.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7967
 
Bush senior was not in Cuba at the time of JFK's assassination, nor was he in the CIA. He was one of several businessmen who agreed to cooperate with the CIA. He was not an agent.
totally off topic but i always wondered if this is a pic of bush sr.


 
here's a report that states:

"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- WMR has obtained a confidential "France Only" report of the French intelligence service, Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE), that states that the CIA and Britain's MI-6 maintained effective control of an important Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan as late as 1995, fully two years after the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center......"

and you might be thinking "clasified" wayne if full of it. well, it looks as though it was leaked.

I'm loath to consider anything brought forth by the guy who inspired the ULTIMA1 debacle.
 
But she hasn't spilled the beans at any of these publicly aired opportunities has she?

Oh My! Oh My! Common sense people, come on!

What are these beans she hasn't spilled? Just what secrets did she learn in her four months with the FBI that she hasn't told to the world?
 
What are these beans she hasn't spilled? Just what secrets did she learn in her four months with the FBI that she hasn't told to the world?


That's the beauty of this idiocy. She's under an alleged gag order, and since she's such a government-fearing individual, she must be complying. That means all the nonsense she's spewed forth previously isn't "the beans". *gasp*

It must be some truly horrible secret. If only she wasn't gagged or wasn't so afraid of the government, she could let the world know this earth-shattering secret.
 

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