Future of the GOP?

There seem to be now only two types of philosophies within the USA now.

Those who want to get things done for the country....

and those who wanna do nothing but make war, bash gay people, and wear flag pins.

Can you guess which side is which?
 
corplinx said:
If you are really interested, try reading up on Ronald Reagan sometime. He was much more than the cardboard cutout he was portrayed as sometimes.

It seems as if we judge our historical figures these days based on how they are portrayed on SNL......
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When was the last time Ronald Reagan was portrayed on SNL??:confused:
 
Dr Adequate said:
Does that mean that he'll stop telling them to jump, or just that they'll stop saying: "Yes sir. How high, sir?"
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It seemed like they were floating the idea of creating a new party (I think they called it the American Party). Unless they've just been joking about that.
 
parky76 said:
There seem to be now only two types of philosophies within the USA now.

Those who want to get things done for the country....

and those who wanna do nothing but make war, bash gay people, and wear flag pins.

Can you guess which side is which?
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Yes, or course, there must be only two types. :boxedin:
 
applecorped said:
Yes, or course, there must be only two types. :boxedin:
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He didn't say there "must be" only two types, only that there seem to.

I would love for there to be a third group beyond "Democrats" and "stupid, obstructionist Republicans."

... but that particular third group seems to have gone extinct, either by jumping ship to the Democrats, by being voted out of office, or by having become stupid and obstructionist to pander to their voters that insist that a proper Republican is both stupid and obstructionist.
 
marksman said:
I would say that Bill Clinton was in many ways the Democratic analog to Reagan and Newt. His strategy of triangulation was basically the idea that one should adopt what is palatable in the other party's platform, and emphasize what you think would be palatable to the nation in your own. Seems commonsensical, but to you see the current GOP trying to adopt anything from the Democratic platform? I don't.
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Thanks.
 
Marc39 said:
Pelosi and Reid are detested by the American public, not merely unpopular.
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Nice set of blinders you've got there. They've never been liked by the right (of course) and some on the left are not entirely delighted with their performance but "detested by the American public". I admire your strength at holding up that ever so broard brush.

Marc39 said:
Happy days will soon be here, again, for the GOP.
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I'll bookmark this post so if I ever need to be reminded what "wishful thinking" means I'll have it.
 
Marc39 said:
If healthcare reform fails, and it currently appears that it will, Obama is toast. Republicans shall rise, again.
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This raises an interesting piece of politics. I think SOMETHING will pass but as the legislation stands now, major pieces don't kick in till 2013? Why? Does it really take 4 years to implement the meager changes that are likely to pass?

This is smart from the Dems 2012 perspective because they can claim to have reformed health care but nobody will know if it really works. That takes it off the table for the Republicans.

This is smart from the Reps perspective because if the econmy is still in the dumps they can win on that issue alone and ignore healthcare because it will not have kicked in yet. Then, once in office, they can kill it without having to appear to be taking something away from the public.
 
Marc39 said:
That's like saying Keith Olbermann is a spokesman for the DNC. Attempting to align Rush et al. with the GOP in any official capacity is a cynical political stunt that is based on desperation, not strength.
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It isn't like that at all. The Democrats have spokesmen. Obama it the prinicple one. Pelosi, has a different take, but her quotes make news too.

When have you seen a Keith Olberman proclamation that made news? I can point to any number of Rush's that have, like "I want him to fail" and "Sotomayor is a racist" etc. What other conservative has had the kind of attention Limbaugh has had. I mean, apart from Sanford. Like it or not, Limbaugh is the voice of conservatism these days. Okay, Palin and Megan McCain also say a few things. Of the three, Megan is the GOP's best hope.
 
The Republicans are now reaping the success of their Southern Strategy exemplified by Nixon/Atwater in 1988. It is now in full bloom with strong Republican strength only existing in the South and Greater Utah. Even Voinivich, a retiring Republican Ohio senator made noises to this effect a couple of days ago and PO'ed the base in the process.

I'm not sure how they overcome this. Increasing urbanization and minority demographics make for a tough haul for the Elephants. But as Brainster points out, the Dems were being derided as being part of history just a few short years ago. They have a well-earned reputation for being electorially inept so the other side won't be down for long.
 
Tricky said:
It isn't like that at all. The Democrats have spokesmen. Obama it the prinicple one. Pelosi, has a different take, but her quotes make news too.

When have you seen a Keith Olberman proclamation that made news? I can point to any number of Rush's that have, like "I want him to fail" and "Sotomayor is a racist" etc. What other conservative has had the kind of attention Limbaugh has had. I mean, apart from Sanford. Like it or not, Limbaugh is the voice of conservatism these days. Okay, Palin and Megan McCain also say a few things. Of the three, Megan is the GOP's best hope.
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So, in a Republican leadership vacuum, you arbitrarily decide to coronate a radio talk show host for that role? That's just not to be taken serioiusly.
 
Marc39 said:
If healthcare reform fails, and it currently appears that it will, Obama is toast. Republicans shall rise, again.
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This is a different situation from 1994. This is not Hillary Clinton, an unelected and greatly disliked official pushing health care reform. This is a president, who though not showing the poll numbers he once did, is still extremely popular, working on a bill that is still very much in flux. I think something will pass. Obama will take some hits, but obstructionist Republicans will take some too, probably more than the Dems, if it fails.

Republicans will rise again, but only because politics tends to be cyclic. The party in power always gets blamed and the "underdogs" come back. It won't be because they kill or emasculate the health care bills.
 
Marc39 said:
So, in a Republican leadership vacuum, you arbitrarily decide to coronate a radio talk show host for that role? That's just not to be taken serioiusly.
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I notice you don't mention a successor or an alternative spokesman to Rush. My 'coronation' isn't arbitrary. It's based on what is going on in the nation right now. Maybe you don't see it. I think most people do.
 
Tricky said:
I notice you don't mention a successor or an alternative spokesman to Rush. My 'coronation' isn't arbitrary. It's based on what is going on in the nation right now. Maybe you don't see it. I think most people do.
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Rush is a joke and Rush knows it. He doesn't want to be the titular head of the Republican Party, nor is he qualified, nor, would it benefit the GOP as Rush's popularity is extremely narrow, even among Republicans.
 
Marc39 said:
Rush is a joke and Rush knows it. He doesn't want to be the titular head of the Republican Party, nor is he qualified, nor, would it benefit the GOP as Rush's popularity is extremely narrow, even among Republicans.
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That is exactly correct. It does not benefit the Republican Party, nor is he popular among all Republicans. Yet he is the one making the headlines. He is the one speaking for conservatives. They should replace him as quickly as possible with somebody moderate and rational, but until that happens, like it or not, he's their spokesman.

You want him out, Repubs? Then get out and start loudly and widely disavowing his statements. So far, no prominant Republican seems to have the cojones to do that, except for Megan McCain. She's got big cojones, bigger than O'Reilly, Hannity, Palin, Steele, Huckabee, Romney or her dad. Too bad that so many in the party treat her as a leper. Their loss.
 
drkitten said:
He didn't say there "must be" only two types, only that there seem to.

I would love for there to be a third group beyond "Democrats" and "stupid, obstructionist Republicans."

... but that particular third group seems to have gone extinct, either by jumping ship to the Democrats, by being voted out of office, or by having become stupid and obstructionist to pander to their voters that insist that a proper Republican is both stupid and obstructionist.
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And where does Republican Senator Lindsey Graham sit with those two types? Specifically, the same Senator Lindsey Graham who went against the Republicans on the Senate Judicial committee and voted in favor of Sotomayor because despite his disagreements with her ever-popular-amongst-conservative-pundits statements back in the day he found her performance record unimpeachable? This is the same guy who hammered Roberts and Alito on executive power and torture, if I recall correctly.

I may not agree with the man on many issues, but he's an example of someone who doesn't fit neatly into the "two types" motif.
 
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