Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Paulhoff]

Well then you have it, if you do not believe in Jesus then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, or in many of your cases not believing in any.

So, you have been deceived by the false god called Jesus, and not some other false god, good for you.

Paul

 

[tsig]

If you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, you are pasta redemption.

You mean I will not be saved al dente?

 

[tsig]

I'll trust in the FSM´s words over all others because it is the truth. But if you do not believe in the only real deity then I don´t feel too sad for you because The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster says:
"If Some People Don't Believe In Me, that's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain."

I thought it was "Unless ye eat of my essence and drink of my sauce ye shall not be satiated".

A little red wine is optional.

 

[joobz]

You mean I will not be saved al dente?

Our Pasta, which is strainer
tasty be thy name.
Thine guests have come, Thine Sauce is done,
On time, as it is in kitchen.
Give us this day, our daily bread*
And forgive us our sauce splashes
as we forgive those who splash sauce around us.
And lead us not into agglutination
but deliver us from congealed

 

[Georg]

The original can be found here:

The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts"

(Capitalization and censorship as per original text)

1. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like a Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don't Believe In Me, That's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn't About Them So Don't Change The Subject.
2. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Don't Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.
3. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This In Your Thick Heads: Woman = Person. Man = Person. Samey = Samey. One Is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We're Talking About Fashion And I'm Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal and Fuchsia.
4. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As For Anyone Who Might Object, I Think The Expression Is Go F*** Yourself, Unless They Find That Offensive In Which Case They Can Turn Off the TV For Once And Go For A Walk For A Change.
5. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B******.
6. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Build Multimillion-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick):

1. Ending Poverty
2. Curing Diseases
3. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable
I Might be a Complex-Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM the Creator.

7. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Go Around Telling People I Talk To You. You're Not That Interesting. Get Over Yourself. And I Told You To Love Your Fellow Man, Can't You Take A Hint?
8. I'd Really Rather You Didn't Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses A Lot Of Leather/Lubricant/Las Vegas. If The Other Person Is Into It, However (Pursuant To #4), Then Have At It, Take Pictures, And For The Love Of Mike, Wear a CONDOM! Honestly, It's A Piece Of Rubber. If I Didn't Want It To Feel Good When You Did IT I Would Have Added Spikes, Or Something.

 

[Cactus Wren]

And Jefferson lived to be 81 and John Adams lived to be 90 without modern medicine. I don't see any improvement on that.

And John Adams's daughter died at forty-eight of breast cancer, after going through a mastectomy without anesthesia. She declined a second mastectomy. I don't know whether she knew that untreated breast cancer would eventually "ulcerate" -- spread through the breast wall, forming a huge and agonizingly painful open sore.

 

[DOC]

Hokulele may have said I said something in your post 4889, but I don't believe I ever said what Houkele said I believed. You should let "my" posts do the talking about my beliefs rather than what Hokulele thinks I said.

Unfortunately this is a regular occurrence in my threads of people misrepresenting my beliefs. I'm getting tired of constantly using the term "strawman".

I'm sure you are, but this isn't a strawman.

There are many ways to misrepresent someone's belief. You must not have noticed I was making a more general statement in my second paragraph. Believe it or not I do have the ability to look up the term strawman.

ETA

I know -- now it's time for someone to be cute, and say well look it up. Some of you are very predictable in your attack the messenger responses.

 

[six7s]

Some of you are very predictable in your attack the messenger responses.

Huh?

You're not merely an innocent messenger, DOC

You are the author of JUNK MAIL

 

[joobz]

There are many ways to misrepresent someone's belief. You must not have noticed I was making a more general statement in my second paragraph. Believe it or not I do have the ability to look up the term strawman.

Well, I need do nothing but refer everyone to the post you referenced to see that Hokulele made no strawman argument and simply called out your error.

Now DOC, you have an unanswered question in the other thread that I think is highly applicable here.

Do you believe that Paul authored all of the epistles canonically attributed to him, yes or no?

You have completely avoided this question in the same way politicians avoid questions that they do not wish to answer.

and I think I know why:

Well, DOC's aware of the problem here:
1.) He's says Yes, Some of the books are falsely attributed to Paul and he opens the door to admitting that there are clear problems of even simple authorship of the new testament. Meaning it becomes difficult for one to claim much about the "truthfullness" of the bible.

2.) He says No, and he is forced to explain WHY he thinks the majority of biblical scholars are wrong about their conclusions regarding the authorship. Indeed, it would also expose all of his other appeals to authority as being dishonest (as well as fallacious) since it would demonstrate that he was willing to discount true subject authority adn expertise when it disargeed with his desired beliefs.

 

[DOC]

Stuff and nonsense! If we are to believe Matthew 27:52-53...


... we are left to wonder why one of the greater record-keeping societies of the ancient world didn't put down a single line about dead people coming back to life and walking through a large city.

Well the verse says they appeared to many. Many could be 8 people. And it was not in the best interest of the Roman Empire (who controlled the area) and to their belief in Roman gods and the deity of the Roman Emperor to strengthen the case for the truth of Christianity. Doing anything detrimental to the Roman Empire could get you killed.

We are also left to wonder why none of the other Gospel writers felt the need to record the dead leaving their tombs and appearing unto many.

Some people complain the Synoptic Gospels are too similar. But then they also try to use the fact that they are different to support their argument as you have done.

Maybe Mark and Luke and John simply did not have enough evidence that they were raised or they were just focused on the story of Jesus. Even the Bible says a lot of stuff was done that was not mentioned... The verse says the saints appeared to many, it didn't say they appeared to any of the apostles. Maybe the tax collector Matthew was the only one who came in contact with the risen saints or witnesses. Also, for the record John and Luke did record the raising of Lazarus from the dead.

This thread is very poorly titled: you have provided no evidence at all.

Is it possible to leave 900 posts in an evidence thread without giving any evidence. People really need to contemplate about that.

 

[DOC]

Well, DOC's aware of the problem here:
1.) He's says Yes, Some of the books are falsely attributed to Paul...

Once again a false statement about me.

 

[joobz]

Once again a false statement about me.

DOC, please read the WHOLE POST. You'll note that they were two hypothetical answers to the question posed by Hokulele. I DID NOT say you said YES or NO.

In other words, you made a false statement about me.

 

[six7s]

Is it possible to leave 900 posts in an evidence thread without giving any evidence. People really need to contemplate about that.

From my reading of your posts in this thread, it would seem so... at least with regard to credible evidence

If you know this to be incorrect, you will - obviously - be able and willing to correct me, right?

 

[Simon39759]

Well, I need do nothing but refer everyone to the post you referenced to see that Hokulele made no strawman argument and simply called out your error.

To be honest, I am not sure having read Doc actually announcing the end-times any time soon.

I am not sure that he belongs to the 'Ho boy, anytime now! I can hardly wait! oh boy! oh boy!' rapture-ready crowd.

Which brings a good question:
-What do you think about the people announcing the imminent rapture DOC? Are they mistaken? Delusional? Blasphemous, even?

To go with my initial question:
-Do you believe that the Christian tradition contains mistakes? After all, it clearly attribute all the epistles to Paul.

 

[DOC]

Once again a false statement about me.

DOC, please read the WHOLE POST. You'll note that they were two hypothetical answers to the question posed by Hokulele. I DID NOT say you said YES or NO.

In other words, you made a false statement about me.

Since this occurred in another thread, and you did not quote my post directly, why don't you bring the whole quote of mine you are talking about in here and specifically explain why you made this statement:

Well, DOC's aware of the problem here:
1.) He's says Yes, Some of the books are falsely attributed to Paul...

 

[joobz]

Since this occurred in another thread, and you did not quote my post directly, why don't you bring the whole quote of mine you are talking about in here and specifically explain why you made this statement:

What you are doing is called quote mining. You must read my whole post to see that I was speaking hypothetically, explaining why you would be reluctant to answer the question.

 

[Cactus Wren]

Is it possible to leave 900 posts in an evidence thread without giving any evidence.

Why, yes. Yes, it is.

 

[zooterkin]

Is it possible to leave 900 posts in an evidence thread without giving any evidence.

Why, yes. Yes, it is.

Indeed; and it's something we do have evidence for.

 

[amb]

That's chicken feed. A book on astrology is as big as a history book, or bigger with not one word of evidence.

 

[Marcus]

If you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, you are pasta redemption.

If you disrespect the FSM, you are doomed to simmer forever in a boiling pot of sauce, it says so right there in the El Dente, so it must be true.