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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Ah right, it wasn't the decaying morality of the US, but the situation in the Middle East.

DOC said:
There is a lot of evidence that the bible is true -- historical, archeological, geographical -- I guess you feel fulfilled bible prophecy is the best.

And haven't you heard that Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map. That fact along with other Middle East countries who hate Israel would seem to make Armageddon a real possibility. And don't forget the nuclear weapons Iran will probably have soon.
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So I apologize and retract my original claim, and replace it with the following:

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A million years is a given time period. And Christ said no man, not even the Son, knows the day or the hour of the end -- only the Father {God the Father}
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Which is why the current situation in the Middle East is a sign that Armageddon is almost upon us. You aren't giving us a day and hour, but a rough timeline of "soon, really really soon".

Got it.
 
DOC said:
Read the newspapers and watch the news about stuff happening in your city. It seems to me that people are killing their own kids quite often now where I never remember hearing about that in the 60's and 70's.

And Jefferson lived to be 81 and John Adams lived to be 90 without modern medicine. I don't see any improvement on that. And less and less people can actually afford the medical advances you talk about. Also more people are overweight now than ever before.
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Thanks DOC, this serves to neatly illustrate that you really don't understand what is meant by the term 'evidence'

Good luck with that :)
 
Hokulele may have said I said something in your post 4889, but I don't believe I ever said what Houkele said I believed. You should let "my" posts do the talking about my beliefs rather than what Hokulele thinks I said.

Unfortunately this is a regular occurrence in my threads of people misrepresenting my beliefs. I'm getting tired of constantly using the term "strawman".
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Well, good, because you don't seem to have the faintest conception of what a strawman fallacy really is.
 
Doc says: "But this thread is about the New Testament upon which there are nearly 25,000 ancient manuscripts compared to 7 manuscripts for Plato, and 20 for the Roman historian Tacitus' Annuls."

See, it's a different kind of literature. The manuscripts of Plato were philosophical. There wasn't much money in philosophy. Same with history. So no one gets exercised over whether the Forms are realer than the everyday objects.

But the testaments are sales literature. If one could believe that the guru or prophet could raise the dead, then who wouldn't kick in their best bucks to investigate the powers?

Follow the money.
 
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Lothian said:
If you get bored, try for a change offering up some evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.
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Also, who exactly were the authors of the gospels? We know them by Mark, Mathew, Luke and John, but these guys did not write the gospels, the real authors are anonymous. Ever wonder why? :p
 
DOC said:
Read the newspapers and watch the news about stuff happening in your city. It seems to me that people are killing their own kids quite often now where I never remember hearing about that in the 60's and 70's.

And Jefferson lived to be 81 and John Adams lived to be 90 without modern medicine. I don't see any improvement on that. And less and less people can actually afford the medical advances you talk about. Also more people are overweight now than ever before.
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Your spelling is very good Doc.

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Read the newspapers and watch the news about stuff happening in your city. It seems to me that people are killing their own kids quite often now where I never remember hearing about that in the 60's and 70's.
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Ah, yes, the old "everything was better before" argument.

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Crime and religion correlate and have always done so. Secularization is a trait of an improving society, not a failing one.
 
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Jesus would be the most influential person, according to whom? Xtians only I would hazard a guess. As would muhammad be to muslims, Joseph Smith to mormons, etc.
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Well then you have it, if you do not believe in Jesus then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, or in many of your cases not believing in any.

I'll trust in Jesus words over all others because he is the truth. If you do not believe in God's only Son then I feel very sad for you because the Bible says you will be judged.
 
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DOC said:
Read the newspapers and watch the news about stuff happening in your city. It seems to me that people are killing their own kids quite often now where I never remember hearing about that in the 60's and 70's.

And Jefferson lived to be 81 and John Adams lived to be 90 without modern medicine. I don't see any improvement on that. And less and less people can actually afford the medical advances you talk about. Also more people are overweight now than ever before.
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Your spelling is very good Doc.

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Alas... you seem to have no grasp on possessives, DOC

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kurious_kathy said:
Well then you have it, if you do not believe in Jesus then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, or in many of your cases not believing in any.
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So many questions from such a simple statement; where to begin?

So, you admit Jesus is false, the same as the other gods? Do you believe these other false gods actually exist? If not, how can you be deceived by them? Exactly how do you distinguish between the false gods and yours?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well then you have it, if you do not believe in Jesus then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, or in many of your cases not believing in any.
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If you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, you are pasta redemption.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well then you have it, if you do not believe in ZeBob the Celestial Troll then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, or in many of your cases not believing in any.

I'll trust in ZeBob the Celestial Troll words over all others because he is the truth. If you do not believe in BeBob's only Son then I feel very sad for you because the ZeBle says you will be judged.
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DOC said:
And Jefferson lived to be 81 and John Adams lived to be 90 without modern medicine. I don't see any improvement on that.
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Today was the funeral of Henry Allingham, who died recently at the age of 113. Since his death, the last WWI veteran in Britain, Harry Patch, has also died at the age of 111.

Of course, a couple of data points don't prove anything either way, but these were both ordinary men, not wealthy leaders of their nation with all the benefits that confers.

ETA: Of course, I realise you are trying to be fair in including Jefferson, showing that atheism can lead to long life.
 
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If you do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster then you can be easily deceived by the other false gods and religions out there, you are pasta redemption.
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I'll trust in the FSM´s words over all others because it is the truth. But if you do not believe in the only real deity then I don´t feel too sad for you because The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster says:
"If Some People Don't Believe In Me, that's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain."
 
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