Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

[Marc39]

It's not our inability to explain -- it's your inability to understand.

One person reads Morris' answer to the question: "According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?" and understands the meaning of "Nakba" -- the other person asks "so what's this about a catastrophe?"

Is Morris some sort of crutch? He's the historian who misinterpreted Ben-Gurion's statement about not expelling Arabs and was forced to debunk his own mistake. This is your icon?

Have you figured out, yet, the specific ways in which Israel has been a catastrophe for Arabs?

 

[Marc39]

Why is it too late? Why can't compensation be paid? Why, at the very minimum, can it not be recognised what happened?

Did Kuwait compensate the almost half-million Palestinians kicked out after the Gulf War? Did Jordan compensate the thousands of Palestinians booted by King Hussein?

 

[FireGarden]

Is Morris some sort of crutch? He's the historian who misinterpreted Ben-Gurion's statement about not expelling Arabs and was forced to debunk his own mistake. This is your icon?

A man whose mistakes are pointed out and whose accurate work is accepted? A man who admitted he was wrong? I can see why you hate him so much -- he doesn't have your dedication to a cause.

Do you believe that Moshe Carmel and Yitzhak Rabin signed expulsion orders, or do you believe that Morris is wrong about that too?

 

[Marc39]

A man whose mistakes are pointed out and whose accurate work is accepted? A man who admitted he was wrong? I can see why you hate him so much -- he doesn't have your dedication to a cause.

Do you believe that Moshe Carmel and Yitzhak Rabin signed expulsion orders, or do you believe that Morris is wrong about that too?

Yet, you have not read Morris's book on the '48 war, in which he writes there was no Israeli policy of expulsion. No library in your neighborhood? No amazon account?

 

[DC]

I'll ask, yet, again. In what ways, specifically, has Israel been a catastrophe for the Arabs?

whats the point of answering your questions, you keep ion ignoring the responses or claim biased sources.
you are a laughable joke
you are totaly onesided blinded, you belive the blame is 100% on the others, and never ever did your side to anything at all wrong.

especially since you belive in hitler style endsolutions, i dont see the point of yet again pointing out Israeli terrorist groups that made Palestinians flee.

you will just ignore it yet again.

you are not interested in a debate nor are you interested in reading other peoples sources. you dont even read your own sources.

why are you on a debating forum? you have made up your mind and nothing on this planet will chang that pov. no matter how far away it is from the reality, no matter how twisted and distorted and onesided your pov is, nothing ever will change it, you are a radical.

just like nobody can convince Hamas members that Israel has a right to exist.
they also made up their mind, and nothing in the world will change it.
and people like you and your fellow radicals on the Israeli side are helping proving their twisted world view with your twisted worldview.

im just extremly happy that atleast on the Israeli side such radicals and racists like you are a small minority nobody takes serious.

 

[DC]

Refugees get resettled. Unless, they're Palestinians.

but some hundert years later they might come back with an old book and claims god promised them the land.....

 

[Marc39]

but some hundert years later they might come back with an old book and claims god promised them the land.....

And, if they do come back, they better have deep pockets with which to buy some land, as the Jews have done.

 

[Marc39]

dont see the point of yet again pointing out Israeli terrorist groups that made Palestinians flee

"Israeli terrorist groups" were formed to protect Jews against Arab aggression and violence and massacres perpetrated upon pacific Zionists who arrived in Palestine unarmed and without a military to protect them. That Arab violence against Jews was spearheaded in the 1920s, well before Irgun's creation, by the Mufti leader of the Palestinians who, himself, was a Nazi collaborator who recruited Muslims into the SS.

 

[DC]

"Israeli terrorist groups" were formed to protect Jews against Arab aggression and violence and massacres perpetrated upon pacific Zionists who arrived in Palestine unarmed and without a military to protect them. That Arab violence against Jews was spearheaded in the 1920s, well before Irgun's creation, by the Mufti leader of the Palestinians who, himself, was a Nazi collaborator who recruited Muslims into the SS.

Palestinain terrorist groups were formed to protect Palestinians from Jewish agression and violance......
i guess they are also justifiable when the Israeli terrorist groups are, isnt it?

you seem to belive everything you do is justifiable and right, but when the other side does the same it is pure evil and surely not justifiable.

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[a_unique_person]

Refugees get resettled. Unless, they're Palestinians.

Or Zionists, apparently.

 

[Marc39]

Palestinain terrorist groups were formed to protect Palestinians from Jewish agression and violance......
i guess they are also justifiable when the Israeli terrorist groups are, isnt it?

I just gave you the historical sequence of events, which you simply ignored.

Here it is, again: Arab violence and massacres of Jews > Formation of Jewish security forces to protect Jews who were unarmed and without a military to protect them, and, to insure the lawful immigration of Jews into Palestine.

you seem to belive everything you do is justifiable and right, but when the other side does the same it is pure evil and surely not justifiable.

you are a joke.

Jews are entitled to live in Palestine, or anywhere else, for that matter, without being subjected to violence. What don't you understand about this rather simple, civilized concept?

 

[Marc39]

Or Zionists, apparently.

Unlike Arab refugees who were abandoned by nearly every Arab country, who collectively have a policy of denial of citizenship, Israel resettled hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries. Arabs are their own catastrophe, er, nakba.

 

[DC]

I just gave you the historical sequence of events, which you simply ignored.

Here it is, again: Arab violence and massacres of Jews > Formation of Jewish security forces to protect Jews who were unarmed and without a military to protect them, and, to insure the lawful immigration of Jews into Palestine.



Jews are entitled to live in Palestine, or anywhere else, for that matter, without being subjected to violence. What don't you understand about this rather simple, civilized concept?

Palestinians are entitled to live in Palestine or anywhere else for that matter, without being subjected to violence and occupation.

Palestinians have still no army to protect them, so that part is done by the terrorist groups.

your "justifications" for Israeli terrorists can also be used to justify the Palestinian terrorists.


when you think its ok for Israeli terrorists to kill civillians and spreading terror to protect the Israelis, why is it not for the Palestinian side?

i can also be as onesided as you are.

the whole thing is only to blame on the jews. They lost theyr homeland and lived in Diaspora all over the world.

but instead of geting over it and integrate into the new homelands, they created a movement to recreate theyr homeland that now belongs to others.
thats the reason for all the violence and problems in Palestina and that so called Israel. the blame goes to the so called ISraelis. The Palestinians are only defending their homeland in selfdefence from those so called Israelis that belive some god promised them something.

 

[Marc39]

Palestinians are entitled to live in Palestine or anywhere else for that matter, without being subjected to violence and occupation.

Except, if they do not own land. Palestine is not some magical wonderland where they give away land for free. That is, other than Israel giving the Arabs land for free, as in Gaza. While Israel's right to self-defense against Arab aggression, which is the history of the conflict, has violent overtones, that is merely the consequence of Arab actions perpetrated against Israel. There is no moral equivalence between offensive and defensive violence.

Palestinians have still no army to protect them, so that part is done by the terrorist groups.

There are millions of Palestiniains living in Jordan and Syria, and, elsewhere, with armies to protect them. The Palestinians in the West Bank are not entitled to an army under the Oslo Agreements, nor, should they be, since they are not a sovereign entity and since their governments are intertwined with terrorist factions. Under Oslo, the Israeli military is to provide security for Israeli nationals in the West Bank, as well as external security along the Jordanian and Egyptian borders.

the whole thing is only to blame on the jews. They lost theyr homeland and lived in Diaspora all over the world.

And, they won Palestine back. The history of the Middle East, and the rest of the world, for that matter, is about conquest. The Muslims took Palestine in the 7th century, the Jews took it back. Call it karma.

 

[DC]

Except, if they do not own land. Palestine is not some magical wonderland where they give away land for free. That is, other than Israel giving the Arabs land for free, as in Gaza. While Israel's right to self-defense against Arab aggression, which is the history of the conflict, has violent overtones, that is merely the consequence of Arab actions perpetrated against Israel. There is no moral equivalence between offensive and defensive violence.



There are millions of Palestiniains living in Jordan and Syria, and, elsewhere, with armies to protect them. The Palestinians in the West Bank are not entitled to an army under the Oslo Agreements, nor, should they be, since they are not a sovereign entity and since their governments are intertwined with terrorist factions. Under Oslo, the Israeli military is to provide security for Israeli nationals in the West Bank, as well as external security along the Jordanian and Egyptian borders.



And, they won Palestine back. The history of the Middle East, and the rest of the world, for that matter, is about conquest. The Muslims took Palestine in the 7th century, the Jews took it back. Call it karma.

Palestinian suicide bombers are merely a reaction to Israeli violence , unjustice and occupation. They just make use of their right to selfedefense.

Israelis have their country now, they dont need not stealing the Palestinian land with those illegal settlements in the westbank. all the fault of those violent and trouble making Israelis, just because they cannot get enough and have expansionist wet dreams. They just want to kill off all the Palestinins.

cant wait until the Native americans win back theyr continent, cant wait untill the Roman empire wins back their empire. Cant wait until the British empire wins back theyr Palestine.

 

[a_unique_person]

Except, if they do not own land. Palestine is not some magical wonderland where they give away land for free. That is, other than Israel giving the Arabs land for free, as in Gaza. While Israel's right to self-defense against Arab aggression, which is the history of the conflict, has violent overtones, that is merely the consequence of Arab actions perpetrated against Israel. There is no moral equivalence between offensive and defensive violence.



There are millions of Palestiniains living in Jordan and Syria, and, elsewhere, with armies to protect them. The Palestinians in the West Bank are not entitled to an army under the Oslo Agreements, nor, should they be, since they are not a sovereign entity and since their governments are intertwined with terrorist factions. Under Oslo, the Israeli military is to provide security for Israeli nationals in the West Bank, as well as external security along the Jordanian and Egyptian borders.



And, they won Palestine back. The history of the Middle East, and the rest of the world, for that matter, is about conquest. The Muslims took Palestine in the 7th century, the Jews took it back. Call it karma.

It was the Romans who expelled the Jews from ancient Israel. It was the Muslims who let them back in.

 

[DC]

It was the Muslims who let them back in.

that was only to drive them into the sea... in Marc's world.

 

[Pardalis]

Amazing. any small discrepancy. Like who is the leader of the plo and who isn't? Should he get the president of the US correct? Who is the Israeli president and who isn't.....should we let him just give that title to someone if he wants to add weight to a quote. Like suggesting that haaretz is biased because of what its editor says....ooops its not the editor its some past editor...


But you don't want to defend him do you....just cut him a little slack. A little slack with basic facts.

I'm actually surprised, I honestly didn't think there would be anyone here willing to be an apologist for a campaign of deliberate repeated dishonesty.

And with that post you successfully avoided to answer his argument.

I'm actually surprised of what that leader of the PLO (he's a leader, not the leader) had to say about Palestinians.

 

[Pardalis]

Are you saying that the creation of Israel HAD to dispossess Arabs?

NO, but in their minds, what happened, the dispossession, is directly related to the creation of Israel. The "catastrophe" is synonymous with the creation of Israel (again, in their minds), and as long as it will be seen and taught that way, no peace, no reconciliation.

 

[Marc39]

It was the Romans who expelled the Jews from ancient Israel. It was the Muslims who let them back in.

The Muslims slaughtered Jews, and Christians, in the Moslem Conquest, forced others into religious conversion and those not massacred endured lives of subjugation as dhimmis. It was not a pretty picture, so, please don't try to put some kind of positive spin on what had happened.