Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

The Fool said:
well, you are defending him....even if you "don't want to"

can you help him out and find a land for peace agreement? The one he claimed existed...

or maybe in his 2nd last post you can find something to explain his claim that Zuheir Mohsan was a former leader of the PLO when in fact he was just the laeder of a syrian backed faction.....How about the ongoing claim (in his last post) that I have stated that Israel has been a nakba, or disaster, for Arabs...which I have not and have explained to him many times and asked him to quote where I did.

.....do we have to simply allow him to continue this policy of being loose with the facts unchallanged?

I don't want to ignore anyone but what do you suggest?
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Please don't neglect to respond to the issues presented below...

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Pardalis said:
Be careful, you have to be extremely specific when you talk to the Fool, Mohsen was the leader of a faction of the PLO, just like you should have specified the other guy wasn't the current editor of Haaretz.

He will find any small discrepancy in your posts in order to avoid answering them.
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Yes, thanks. Scholars demand precision.
 
Pardalis said:
Be careful, you have to be extremely specific when you talk to the Fool, Mohsen was the leader of a faction of the PLO, just like you should have specified the other guy wasn't the current editor of Haaretz.

He will find any small discrepancy in your posts in order to avoid answering them.
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Amazing. any small discrepancy. Like who is the leader of the plo and who isn't? Should he get the president of the US correct? Who is the Israeli president and who isn't.....should we let him just give that title to someone if he wants to add weight to a quote. Like suggesting that haaretz is biased because of what its editor says....ooops its not the editor its some past editor...


But you don't want to defend him do you....just cut him a little slack. A little slack with basic facts.

I'm actually surprised, I honestly didn't think there would be anyone here willing to be an apologist for a campaign of deliberate repeated dishonesty.
 
The Fool said:
Amazing. any small discrepancy. Like who is the leader of the plo and who isn't? Should he get the president of the US correct? Who is the Israeli president and who isn't.....should we let him just give that title to someone if he wants to add weight to a quote. Like suggesting that haaretz is biased because of what its editor says....ooops its not the editor its some past editor...


But you don't want to defend him do you....just cut him a little slack. A little slack with basic facts.

I'm actually surprised, I honestly didn't think there would be anyone here willing to be an apologist for a campaign of deliberate repeated dishonesty.
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Let's get back on-topic. You were going to tell us the many ways in which Israel has been a catastrophe for the Arabs, as you have alleged.
 
Pardalis said:
It is too late to do anything about what happened 60 years ago, all we can do is work with what we have today: which is a state called Israel and the stateless Palestinians who live beside it.
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Why is it too late? Why can't compensation be paid? Why, at the very minimum, can it not be recognised what happened?

Start from a clean slate, let bygones be bygones, because you guys will never agree about what happened,
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What Marc39 and myself? Of course we won't agree. That's neither here nor there. As I've said before: historians from Benny Morris to Ilan Pappe have a wide agreement on what happened. I'm satisfied with that.

You, on the other hand, claim to not give a ****. So kindly expend less energy on the subject. If the rest of us care enough to comment, then that is not your problem.

Pardalis said:
You want to dispossess the people who are there now for reparations?
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How do you jump to this conclusion?
 
Marc39 said:
Can you tell us the ways in which Israel has been a catastrophe for the Arabs? How is it that those so morally supportive of the so-called nakba are at a complete loss to even explain what the nakba constitutes?
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well i dont try to blame just one side. both side helped making the whole think a catastrophe.
 
Marc39 said:
So, let me summarize: You suggested a similarity between the Holocaust and the so-called nakba, but, when I asked you to explain, you were flummoxed and at a total loss.
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So, not satisfied with claiming that you can express Benny Morris' opinions more accurately than Benny Morris, you now want to try and express The Fool's opinions more accurately than The Fool?

I remember The Fool comparing your techniques of Nakba denial to the techniques of Holocaust deniers.

If I have missed something, then why don't you link to the post of The Fool which you have in mind?
 
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FireGarden said:
Why is it too late? Why can't compensation be paid? Why, at the very minimum, can it not be recognised what happened?
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Compensation on what possible basis, since virtually all Palestinians today were born outside of Israel? Can we expect the Arab League to compensate those several hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled?
 
Pardalis said:
Well it goes without saying that the taking of the land from Arabs implies directly the creation of Israel, you can't have one without the other.
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Are you saying that the creation of Israel HAD to dispossess Arabs?
 
a_unique_person said:
Can you stick to one point for at least a couple of posts? You made a claim, I responded, you veered off in two different tangents.
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I do believe the topic of this thread is the alleged nakba. So, how has Israel been this big nakba for the Arabs? Any ideas?
 
Marc39 said:
How is it that those so [...huh?] of the so-called nakba are at a complete loss to even explain what the nakba constitutes?
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It's not our inability to explain -- it's your inability to understand.

One person reads Morris' answer to the question: "According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948?" and understands the meaning of "Nakba" -- the other person asks "so what's this about a catastrophe?"
 
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