AE911Truth Watch

[beachnut]

Seems the "Dick" got some airtime on "Russia Today."

Tall Tales? Gage is one of the dumbest people on earth on 911 issues; the next real close runner ups, the news media who are unable to expose his fraud as he collects money from even dumber people.

Gage is so stupid how can you be that dumb and fool other people to give you money? Oops I answered that; the people who donate money are dumber than Gaga on 911 and mighty lazy to let him do their thinking.

 

[tsig]

I am LOVING the new ae911truth twitter feed. Here's the latest!



Dozens! Dozens! Scathing letters and dozens of tourists!

So he's leafleting and street preaching.

I wonder if he ever looks around and asks himself how it ever came to this, from teaching facts to students to peddling crap to strangers.

 

[ref]

Ah, I just remembered that their goal for 9/11 of 2008 was 1000 A&E members. In reality they reached 473.

They set a new goal, which was 1000 A&E members, but this time by September 11th of 2009. They added another year to reach the goal. They were supposed to visit the congress in D.C. on 9/11 with their 1000 signatures. I guess they won't, since they can't reach 1000, and Gage is scheduled to appear in NYC that day. Currently they are at 728, which means they are set to fail again. Only this time around they have not even mentioned that goal in a long while. Maybe reality caught them. Last year they were desperately promoting that goal to the last minute.

 

[boloboffin]

From the Twitter feed:

We are submitting an article of the evidence for controlled demolition to Republic Magazine, due to come out in September!

Republic Magazine calls itself the Voice of the Patriot Movement. The most recent issue:

Talk of a Second American Revolution is spreading and we uncover the truth for you in Issue #15. Features include; The Founding Terrorists, Tea Parties: Not Just for Boston Anymore,The Comittees of Safety, Quelling the Rebellion, Ron Paul: Pillar in the Storm, Enemies of the State, Continental Congress 2009, Alter or Abolist: The Rights of the People, State of Independence: State Sovereignty, The Time is Now, Ron Paul on Seccession, A Call to Military & Police, Secret Congressional Meeting, What Can One Man Do?, I Am The People, Restoring America One County at a Time, 60 Second Activism, Constitutional Discipline and More…

All spellings are sic.

 

[dudalb]

Talk of a Second American Revolution is spreading and we uncover the truth for you in Issue #15. Features include; The Founding Terrorists, Tea Parties: Not Just for Boston Anymore,The Comittees of Safety, Quelling the Rebellion, Ron Paul: Pillar in the Storm, Enemies of the State, Continental Congress 2009, Alter or Abolist: The Rights of the People, State of Independence: State Sovereignty, The Time is Now, Ron Paul on Seccession, A Call to Military & Police, Secret Congressional Meeting, What Can One Man Do?, I Am The People, Restoring America One County at a Time, 60 Second Activism, Constitutional Discipline and More…

I think the 9/11 Truthwatch has found the perfect magazine for their material. It fits right in with the rest of the batcrap crazy.

 

[Bluesky]

Ah, I just remembered that their goal for 9/11 of 2008 was 1000 A&E members. In reality they reached 473.

They set a new goal, which was 1000 A&E members, but this time by September 11th of 2009. They added another year to reach the goal. They were supposed to visit the congress in D.C. on 9/11 with their 1000 signatures. I guess they won't, since they can't reach 1000, and Gage is scheduled to appear in NYC that day. Currently they are at 728, which means they are set to fail again. Only this time around they have not even mentioned that goal in a long while. Maybe reality caught them. Last year they were desperately promoting that goal to the last minute.

Well lets see, there are 34,000 engineers licensed to practice in California. There are 140,000 members of the ASCE. So lets assume that there are 200,000 PE's in the states.

So statistically the annual death rate for Americans aged 25 to 65, is 400 per 100,000. So that means that each year, 800 PE's die and each year about 20 engineers sign the ae911tm petition.

The annual PE death rate is 10 times the total number of engineers who have signed the ae911tm petition. Looks like engineers would rather die than sign it!

 

[Hokulele]

Republic Magazine calls itself the Voice of the Patriot Movement. The most recent issue:

Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!




Sheesh.

 

[ref]

They have now posted two videos from the AIA Washington convention.

The first video is about Gage presenting their booth. The usual "evidence" presentation is included. This time he (among other things) talks about upward arching streamers (you know the debris that they claim was blown upwards), and squibs that are only caused by explosives, not compressed air. Yawn. He also mentions 15 floors of the north tower being destroyed before there was any downward movement. Double yawn.

The second video shows some architects at their booth. It's also a total yawner, so I didn't bother to watch most of it. From what I could see, he tells the unsuspecting visitors what they should think, then promotes his upcoming presentation at some local venue. And gives away brochures and DVD's.

I won't even link to those clips. Those who want to torture themselves can easily find them anyway.

 

[boloboffin]

Latest tweet from these... people.

will be presenting at a mosque in New Jersey during Ramadan on Thursday Sep. 10th. 500 people expected to attend!

Richard Gage and AE911Truth are now officially terrorist sympathizers and apologists.

ETA: You know, this is big enough to get its own thread.

 

[boloboffin]

Just renewed the .info domain name today - two more years to finish the site! LOL.

And I picked up .mobi at the same time. I figured, why not?

 

[boloboffin]

You may recall AE911Truth being busted for using an altered soundtrack on an Oslo, Norway controlled demolition. The soundtrack had actual explosions, but they had been clipped out, and the truncated soundtrack moved up to start with the beginning of the video. After that was pointed out here at JREF, AE911Truth did stop using the clip.

They have begun using it again, altered soundtrack and all. It's currently part of their most recent iteration of the slideshow presentation.

Again, for anyone who wants to compare the audio of this clip to another one, here's the same demolition at YouTube.



:26 though :29 on that video corresponds to the beginning of the AE911Truth clip. The sound isn't that good, but you can clearly hear the explosive charges going off, and then dying away to the sounds of the building collapsing. The AE911Truth clip has no such explosive sounds or dying away. They have only the sounds of the building falling, even though you can clearly see charges going off.

By beginning to use this clip again, AE911Truth has once again demonstrated that it is NOT in the business of seeking the truth.

 

[LashL]

By beginning to use this clip again, AE911Truth has once again demonstrated that it is NOT in the business of seeking the truth.

Indeed. Initially, they could claim that they did not know that the audio was manipulated, and could blame its use on their own faulty "research" rather than deliberate deception. But now, having previously removed it when it was pointed out that it was manipulated, they cannot pretend that their deception is unintentional. That is pretty compelling evidence in favour of the proposition that they are simply out to fleece fools rather than out to seek or promote truth (or reality).

 

[ref]

By beginning to use this clip again, AE911Truth has once again demonstrated that it is NOT in the business of seeking the truth.

Their only business is to seek more followers Tricks like this are incredibly stupid and easy to point out. I wonder why they don't care.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I don't think it matters to most of the people they're attacting. The goal is no longer to attract brand new members who have never heard of 911 Truth. The situation now is much like cult religious groups and membership is more akin to circulation. I've now been in some degree of personal contact with dozens of people who have some level of interest in the idea that government is not composed of 'ordinary' people and is instead preparing to kill most of us. These would be the people who give their time and money to the reproduction of these ideas. Most of the effort of 911 Truth groups seems to be in atttracting these people's resources from other interests they may have.

On JREFF, we hear alot from fresh people who were recruited directly into 911 Truth. These people would make up a minority of 911 Truth members. My guess is they're relatively easy to talk with through the standard type of information dissemination members here are practiced at.

Does this sound reasonable?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

By beginning to use this clip again, AE911Truth has once again demonstrated that it is NOT in the business of seeking the truth.

I personally would have rather seen them be incompetent over deliberately lying, but then again the arguments they push are so obviously stupid it's hard to just call it all incompetence. Them reusing that video strengthens my view of them as liars as if that hadn't already been clear.

 

[alienentity]

I was listening to the 2007 Gage/Craig debate on the Syrett show this am, and thought I'd mention a couple more instances where Gage exposes himself as a deceptive fraud:

Richard Gage 17:38 'if you wanted the buildngs to come down and blame it on fire , which is not explosive in nature, you would use a different type of charge. You would use an incendiary to cut the beams; you would not use explosives which would give away your project. Thermite is a high-tech incendiary which is used by the military to cut thru steel like a hot knife thru butter'

But he had just argued that, due to the pulverization of materials, an unnatural collapse had occurred, and there was absolutely no way fire could have brought down the buildngs anyway. Presuming he is correct, any competent fire investigation would have determined this as well, so the hypothetical 'cover story' wouldn't have worked!He has already debunked his theory! This shows his arguments are not only based on faulty or false premises, they are internally inconsistent or contradictory.

Perhaps Gage is simply delusional, and not deliberately misleading. I really can't say, except that he's making a lot of false claims.


..20:30 'The firemen found tons of molten metal flowing like lava. The world Trade Centre structural engineer Leslie Robertson says it's flowing after 21 days. Still flowing, molten metal. And nobody knew where all this was coming from..

He later calls Robertson a 'viable witness' (22:20)

This is truly remarkable. Leslie Robertson is used as a witness to molten metal, and yet his core expertise is that he actually designed the WTC towers. Does Gage quote Robertson's expert opinion on the collapse of the towers? Absolutely not, because Robertson obviously knows that the towers collapsed due to fire, and thinks that the CD theory is 'preposterous.
Is it misleading and deceptive for Richard Gage to omit such important testimony? You bet it is.

This is very clear evidence that Gage intends to deceive his audiences. I can't claim to know what Gage is really trying to accomplish with these tactics, but uncovering the truth is clearly not the focus - there is another motivation at play.

 

[funk de fino]

He is a lying POS and those who defend him are no better.

 

[Justin39640]

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This is very clear evidence that Gage intends to deceive his audiences. I can't claim to know what Gage is really trying to accomplish with these tactics, but uncovering the truth is clearly not the focus - there is another motivation at play.

i thought the cardboard box think was more than enough evidence (an that he is clearly aiming at the demo - IQ = shoe size)

what else motivates people
money
why else would he have the option of a $911 donation - to pull at heartstrings and open your wallet

****** sickening, slimy little ****

 

[Whiplash]

With all due respect to my fellow debunkers, calling "liar!" constantly, and loudly, is clearly not having any effect on these fools.

They either are convinced that they are not lying, or they don't care that they are lying. But people keep going "you are filthy liars!" in a manner that implies they think it's going to eventually settle in and humble these people. It's clearly not.

I dunno, I don't mean to be negative here. I just keep seeing this same thing over and over, and it going nowhere, and I can't help but wonder if there is a point to it anymore. Calling them liars is not having the desired effect, at all.

 

[Bluesky]

I was listening to the 2007 Gage/Craig debate on the Syrett show this am, and thought I'd mention a couple more instances where Gage exposes himself as a deceptive fraud:

Richard Gage 17:38 'if you wanted the buildngs to come down and blame it on fire , which is not explosive in nature, you would use a different type of charge. You would use an incendiary to cut the beams; you would not use explosives which would give away your project. Thermite is a high-tech incendiary which is used by the military to cut thru steel like a hot knife thru butter'

But he had just argued that, due to the pulverization of materials, an unnatural collapse had occurred, and there was absolutely no way fire could have brought down the buildngs anyway. Presuming he is correct, any competent fire investigation would have determined this as well, so the hypothetical 'cover story' wouldn't have worked!He has already debunked his theory! This shows his arguments are not only based on faulty or false premises, they are internally inconsistent or contradictory.

Perhaps Gage is simply delusional, and not deliberately misleading. I really can't say, except that he's making a lot of false claims.


..20:30 'The firemen found tons of molten metal flowing like lava. The world Trade Centre structural engineer Leslie Robertson says it's flowing after 21 days. Still flowing, molten metal. And nobody knew where all this was coming from..

He later calls Robertson a 'viable witness' (22:20)

This is truly remarkable. Leslie Robertson is used as a witness to molten metal, and yet his core expertise is that he actually designed the WTC towers. Does Gage quote Robertson's expert opinion on the collapse of the towers? Absolutely not, because Robertson obviously knows that the towers collapsed due to fire, and thinks that the CD theory is 'preposterous.
Is it misleading and deceptive for Richard Gage to omit such important testimony? You bet it is.

This is very clear evidence that Gage intends to deceive his audiences. I can't claim to know what Gage is really trying to accomplish with these tactics, but uncovering the truth is clearly not the focus - there is another motivation at play.

You need to understand Gage's moral compas. He will say anything and do anything to meet his goal, which is to grow the ae911truth movement. The deliberately false and misleading statement he made above is one of hundreds of examples. He does not have a problem with lying and sculpting the truth to meet his ends. You see he is a 911 zealot and he believes in CD without question, and many would say without reason.

The fact that his leadership of ae911truth gives him some fame/infamy and enough money to travel around the world, is to some degree secondary. However I am sure if he did not have the money or fame he would lose interest pretty quickly.