Monketi Ghost
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Oh, yes yes, the nature of the oppression is so complex and nuanced.
Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks
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Oh, yes yes, the nature of the oppression is so complex and nuanced.
I'm for the underdog, by nature. Now I look at the Israel/"Palestine"situation, and I see an oppressed side and an oppressor. Pardalis, I got no axe to grind in this old fight, but a large portion of the world sees the same thing, and I agree.
Apparently, you don't see the real oppressors of the so-called
Palestinians: The PLO, Fatah, Hamas and the Lebanese gov't. Israelis are merely trying to live their lives.
And, there has been no ethnic cleansing of Arabs by Jews, rendering "Nakba" ahistorical, anti-Israeli propaganda.
See previous answer. Learn what ethnic cleansing is before using it, erroneously, again.
Not a historically accurate comparison. The so-called Palestiniains have been offered statehood on numerous occasions. Arabs have 22 states. The Jewish presence in Palestine contributed to a significantly higher standard of living among the Arab population in Palestine, from higher employment and annual income to lower mortality rates.
The so-called Palestinians and their Arab bro's are the causes of any "injustices", from rejecting statehood time and time again, to losing land as a direct consequence of wars against Israel they started to being forced to live in squalor because their elected leaders steal billions of dollars in foreign aid and waste millions on rockets to fire into Israel.
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Well, then, the Arabs should have thought twice about going to war with Israel and attemptig to annihilate every last Jew.
Which is low-grade, uninformed libelous nonsense. Jews purchased the land they came to live on, the land transactions are a matter of documented record and on the simplest level that even a history neophyte could understand, there was no need for expulsion as the so-called Palestinains were offered statehood, along with Jewish statehood, as part of UN Res. 181.
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Translation into coherent English, please.
Preposterous! What possible good could come from the Israeli government altering the history of the 1948 War merely to placate its Arab population? It is historical fact the Arabs attacked Israel in '48. It is historical fact the Arabs rejected statehood in '47. It is historical fact the Arabs tried to murder every last Jew. It is historical fact the Arabs were defeated in the war. It is historical fact the Arabs were displaced, an inevitable occurrence in war. It is historical fact the Arab League has denied citizenship to the only intergenerational group of refugees in history, thus, maintaining their dubious status.
Apparently, you are also uninformed about Fatah's position not recognizing Israel, while, in contradistinction, Netanyahu has expressed being amenable to a so-called Palestinian state. Read, learn...
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1248277865155&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
a_unique_person
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You are the moral relativist. I just said the same principal applies, you said that when you compare the two, one is much worse than the other.
fixed that for you
it is a historical fact that the Haganah and Irgun did indeed force thousands of Palestinians Arabs into Lebanon and Jordan.
hell, some of Israel's own leaders and military men have admitted to it.
Was there a Palestinian holocaust?
The Fool
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Was there a Jewish Holocaust?
yes....
was there a "Nakba"
yes....
but you want one of these events carefully erased.. The Nakba is a fact, like the Holocaust...like the moon landings....have you considered peddling your denials in the same places that the holocaust and moon landings get denied? Your arguments would fit in better.
I asked if there was a Palestinian holocaust. Your response is a non-response of gibberish.
Your statements are a dizzying mass of confusion and ahistorical misinformation. The Holocaust entailed the systematic and deliberate extermination of Jews and other people. The Nakba is an invented concept applied to the legal and legitimate establishment of the sovereign state of Israel, which, ironically, entailed a war initiated by Arabs calling for a second Jewish holocaust and trying their best to bring those exhortations of genocide to fruition. That they failed to do so points to the determination and military skill of Jews and the ineptitude of the Arabs. Arabs are their own nakba.
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Darth Rotor
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They (or rather, some of them) are doing something about it: killing other people, and in some cases, strapping bombs to themselves in order to do so.
More than mourning going on here, eh? It is a very Sylverster Stallone approach:
Nothing is over.
IIRC, that was in the first film with John Rambo as a character, First Blood. It is a pity they ever made a sequel, as the first film actually had a slight amount of social commentary value.
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The Fool
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Unfortunately for your argument the nakba did happen, I would normally say that was an undeniable fact but your powers of denial are quite spectacular.
sorry son, its pointless debating Nakba deniers, holocaust deniers, moon landing deniers flat earthers etc etc...
What is the nakba?
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Lol.....something you deny....
sorry, nor playing games with Nakba deniers. It doesn't matter how much evidence you are provided with. Evidence of Arab suffering....you are not interested in suffering arabs, only suffering Jews.
Answer the question, if you are able to do so. What is the nakba?
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The Fool
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Its an event of death and displacement on a large scale that didn't happen to people that don't exist... Despite a lot of people actually being there and seeing it.....
Lol...... "what is the Nakba"? classic....
the earth is really flat and we didn't actually land on the moon either.
any other elephants in the room you can't see?
I'm not going to give you further excuses to peddle your hatred...If you want to debate topics you need to get beyond chanting childish denials.
Took long enough to get a response. How many deaths occurred, exactly? And, what was the underlying cause of "displacement on a large scale"?
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Ok, if you can't get agreement on the exact number of deaths thats an oportunity to spread doubt about the event happening...borrow that one from holocaust deniers? The estimated numbers vary....do some reading.
As to the underlying cause? Well there are probably quite a few. Fear and panic would be high on the list.....you get the Idea. The holocaust deniers often use disease as thier alternate explanation for missing Jews they simply can't deny any longer. You can't really use that one but maybe just continue on the denial path or maybe "they were told to leave by some arab" would be usefull. Your oportunities are endless....get to it.